>Is there anyone local using this software for visual as well as just
>audio sets?

As part of a masters in media technology I'm doing at Leiden Uni (The 
Netherlands) we had an assignment to get various agents do stuff with web 
vision with the expectation that we would all be doing this using Jitter.

I started with another student in Jitter, then Pure Data, then moved to 
python (he's good at python and i'm good at guessing :) till we got it 
working for the assignment.
see: www.sonjavank.com/mt/through

The problems with Pure Data seemed to be a glitch, so I'm going to try an 
upcoming workshop at Mediamatic in Amsterdam to see if I can get GEM (the 
windows library for imaging) to work better because I'm not sure if python 
is the way to go with visuals in terms of processing speed.

Juilan wrote:
>i don't know, but over here in Europe it would seem less and less people
>are using Max/MSP in favour of Pure Data, which can now open MSP patches 
>anyway.

I'd tend to agree with you Julian because that's what seems to be the case, 
but I was surprised that out of the 20 projects for our course, 4 of us 
worked in processing, 1 in c++ and 1 in python. The rest worked in Jitter, 
and in discussions with various lecturers in Art Science Dept at the Hague, 
they swear that max/MSP is still superior. We are apparently the first year 
where some went our own way with programmes. But none of the lecturers seem 
to know much about alternatives. And at various performances I see artists 
doing, it has always been max/MSP or Jitter.

>from all outward appearances i would say Max/MSP is not as useful to
>teach as Pure Data these days.

I'd agree! I actually find Pure Data clearer - I think probably easier for 
artists.
But  -so far- I don't see it being taught in institutes here, only max/MSP. 
Mediamatic runs courses but, for example, at the workshop i was at in 
Febraury there were about 10 people there and half dropped out by the second 
day. A great pity. The teacher was fantastic.

>Miller Stuart Puckette developed Max/MSP in his own name in the early
>90's. after Max/MSP was commercialised by software company 'Cycling 74'
>he developed and released Pure Data as an open source alternative.

My teachers claim that max/MSP was developed much further after Puckette 
left, but I suspect they were mainly defending their choice to just work in 
max/MSP. It is true that there are a lot of max/MSP resources (patches)...

hei konei ra, Sonja

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