Ada, 

The following is a selection of posts from the Yasmin ART_SCIENCE
list-serve. Please also post to ada and I will make sure your posts get
to YASMIN as well. There is some valuable discussion on sound if you are
interested... Week 2 is below, Week 3 is attached. 

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From:  GEORGE GESSERT
 I want to return to something that David M. mentioned earlier, that
artists
 can "expose underlying cosmologies" and contribute "subjective modes"
to
 scientific information. To me this is tremendously important. Whether
we are
 scientists, artists, or something else altogether, global warming is
 profoundly challenging emotionally and psychologically. It interrupts
many
 of the narratives of Western civilization - and, I would guess, of most
 other cultures as well. Much of the time we can defend ourselves from
the
 psychological impact of what is unfolding, but realistically we cannot
 expect ourselves always to be dispassionate. According to James
Lovelock in
 The Revenge of Gaia, we face climate changes so extreme that we would
be
 wise to consider what information we want to preserve, and how to
preserve
 it. Collapse of some sort, he believes, will unfold over time, but
probably
 in no more time than separates us from the Edwardians, that is, in no
more
 than a human lifetime.

 This sounds like slow motion apocalypse. Of course, Lovelock is only
one
 scientist. We are in a situation where we know we don't know what will
 happen (Rumsfield was right about a few things), but we do know that
most of
 the news is not good. As it unfolds people, artists and scientists
included,
 are reacting in ways that recall reactions to other historic diasters,
such
 as the spread of nuclear weapons: denial, numbness, despair, grief, and
 anger. Also humor, elegaic grace, and occasional heroic actions, such
as Al
 Gore's. I think that art can hold a mirror up to all of these
reactions,
 and, at best, validate each in its own way. By that, I do not mean to
imply
 that it is desirable to live indefinitely in a state of denial,
despair, or
 numbness (or for that matter with elegaic grace), but art can let us
know
 that such reactions (and I would guess that all of us have experienced
each
 of them at one time or another), are natural and human. At the same
time
 there are other, more productive and fulfilling possibilities available
to
 us when we are ready.

 Art, simply by presenting images that we could not have imagined, can
offer
 reminders of hope. Hope often does not take an expected form. Last week
in
 San Francisco I saw a sketch William Wiley has done for a global
warming
 pinball machine. I could never have imagined such a project, and had to
 chuckle: a little seed of hope.

 Now, at the risk of making this message too long, I want to respond to
a few
 of the postings. Danny is absolutely right, I think, that "the politics
of
 the sublime is where artists are, I think, on fertile ground for their
 investigations". Climate change lends itself to comprehension through
the
 sublime, which accommodates not only the vastness and fearfulness of
what we
 face, but the time frame involved - problems of scale that Roger
brought up.
 I also agree with Roger that the time has come for an evolution in
awareness
 in the West, but I would qualify that by saying "rapid" evolution.
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FROM: JOEL
 >
 > David, I'd like to comment on your words in your message ...
 >
 > "By expanding our physiologically-limited perception of space, time, 
 > and frequency, artworks can help audiences/participants
experientially 
 > and more intuitively/viscerally understand important
interconnections. "
 >
 > If by expanding our physiologically-limited perception of space,
time, 
 > and frequency, you mean using art to make larger concepts of space, 
 > longer timelines, and higher frequencies more clear as an approach to

 > inspiring a vi > public, I would disagree that art does that well. I would 
 > say that
art 
 > generally does the opposite - it brings space, time, and frequency 
 > into the immediacy of one's scope of perception.
 >
 > But that's good. A visceral, experiential connection with 
 > environmental issues is very important, and I have lately, meaning
the 
 > last few years, become more aware of the value of sound in 
 > understanding the environment. As president of Electronic Music 
 > Foundation, I've been involved in producing several events as
examples 
 > of our Ear to the Earth program, all of which have deepened my 
 > conviction that sound has a unique importance in engaging the public.
 >
 > More forcefully, I would say that listening is close and personal. 
 > Listening creates feelings of connection and involvement. The more 
 > focused our listening, the greater will be our feelings of 
 > experiencing the environment, and the deeper and more immediate will 
 > be our understandings of the world.
 >
 > Yet sound - as a vehicle to engage the public with the environment - 
 > has not been discussed very much in this list. Why do you think
that's 
 > so?

From:  DAVID
Joel,

 If I understand you, we are in agreement. I was referring to the
ability 
 to transpose/interpret phenomena beyond our senses (literally or 
 metaphorically) to bring them into the range of our conscious
awareness. 
 Sonification and visualization are of course prime examples of this,
and 
 the ones that I use most frequently within immersive displays.

 I see how the semantic confusion could arise from the use of the phrase

 "expanding perception." Literally this could mean developing the
ability 
 to perceive beyond our accepted physiological limitations, as is argued

 to occur with psy phenomena and some altered states of consciousness 
 achieved through meditation, trance states, entheogens, etc. But I was 
 referring to it as bringing phenomena into the scope of our "baseline" 
 senses. But in my experience, there is a very fuzzy line between the 
 two, since perceptions are shaped withing the continuum of conscious 
 awareness and physiological capabilities of sensory inputs...

 I wholeheartedly agree that electronic music and sonification are vital

 examples of this. When I studied analog synthesis with Bob Moog, he 
 would discuss how the capability of transposing these electronic 
 phenomena into our sensory realm opens doorways to expanded conscious 
 awareness. Can you give us examples of how you think this can be
applied 
 to create a more intimate connection to climate-related topics?

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From:  RAMON GUARDANS
Can anything good come from climate change?

 If climate change is bad anything opposing it is good

 If opposing climate change is good climate change helps to do good
things

 So climate change is bad but can lead to good things.

 If climate change has some good aspects my be we should identify what
is bad about it , and this would be the pollution that drives it, and
the hardships that will fall on others sooner than later. Dealing with
pollution (an appropriately negative term that helps avoid the
ambiguities above) and enhancing access to, early warning fair
information and resources to respond would seem to central aspects. 

 Dealing with pollution, a specific kind of waste considered dangerous,
is part of the production process. No production no waste, no waste no
production its simple. The identification of waste, as the
identification of productive resources requires a frame of reference,
waste and resources are a continuum of inhomogeneous distribution in
space and time as everybody knows sometimes waste is thick sometimes
resources are plenty and depending on your production process you can
easily have diverging ideas about what is what.

 For many of us arms would be to large extent a form of pollution,
before they are used in their fabrication , twhen disposed off. But many of us 
live in countries where a significant
fraction of the GDP is from producing this kind of pollution, that is
obviously valued in a different way by concerned workers, traders and
shooters. And I a can only respect the workers and may be even some
traders and shooters

 It might be wise to work on the construction of multiple cooperative
frameworks that are able to resolve conflicts by more developed means
that shooting or poisoning.

 Greenhouse gases and climate change might be a useful frist step

 A final note to joel / roger etc on sound 
 I very much agree that sound is great thinking ground, my latest art
work was algorithmic echolocation (two clips in yt unnder that name)
where we mapped into sound the dynamics of the last 420 000 years of
atmospheric chemisty (CO2 Temp, etc) as measured in air bulbs in
icecores of antartica.

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From:  JOEL CHADABE

David, I'm delighted to read your response. Yes, we're on the same 
 frequency, so to speak. Also with Bob Moog, who was a close friend.

 EMF's Ear to the Earth program has as its intent precisly to engage 
 people in environmental issues through environmental sound. The 
 program has different manifestations, among them an annual festival 
 each October in New York, other events such as our participation in 
 Tevereterno in Rome this past June, and the Ear to the Earth Network, 
 soon to be launched.
 Have a look at this report on the installation itself:

http://www.eartotheearth.org/reports/0610_festival/suspendedsounds2.html

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From:  NORIE 

 Hi Joel, Re your post:<More forcefully, I would say that listening is
close and personal. Listening creates feelings of connection and
involvement. The more focused our listening, the greater will be our
feelings of experiencing the environment, and the deeper and more
immediate will be our understandings of the world.

 Yet sound - as a vehicle to engage the public with the environment -
has not been discussed very much in this list. Why do you think that's
so?>

 Thanks for raising the issue of sound, especially in this thread where
"feelings of connection and involvement" can be so important in an art
work -- to give a physical and emotional sense that we are all connected
in and through climate. This was certainly our experience with The
Trouble with the Weather.

 I'm not sure what Janine thinks but I thought that the beautiful and
intriguing sound in her work played a really important part.It was both
gentle and also full of unexpected intense and surprising moments. It
really worked to create a physical and emotional space around her work,
which was otherwise physically very open. (The sound too was quite open,
but nevertheless as sound, physically described a space). By creating an
intimate space for the work, it meant that people felt really
comfortable with lying on the floor under the dishes and spending quite
a long time there.

 In our work, collecting breath really made us appreciate the "feelings
of connection and involvement" -- the physical breathing
 into a mic sounded out both an intimacy and a generosity that felt
really important and gave a viscerality and warmth to in some ways a
conceptual work. You could hear people generously contributing to an
"imaginary'" solution to global warming.We noticed that the collective
collected breath that sounded through the installation also invited
people into the space and held the space together, in the way sound in
particular is so good at. As breath it also had a slightly anxious or
uneasy edge, to me at least, and that also felt right emotionally and
conceptually. 

 So, you ask, why so little discussion of sound on this list? Good
question... but in a way, it's like most such discussions... unless they
are about "sound art" it often doesn't figure. I don't know if it's just
the hegemony of the visual in western cultures today and the consequent
poverty of language to discuss sound? Or maybe it's 
 the emotional side of sound that in some ways makes it seem of lesser
significance, or a limited significance (it can only speak in an
emotional or musical register)?
 Or??
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 FROM: ANNICK
 
 >Janine, I don't think that there are actually "many citizens" that 
 > have changed and are able to think global complexity (cf. 
 > the "scale" discussion). It is not only a question of 
 > governments (it would be much easier then) : the ecological 
 > groups are very much into that model too, even if they try 
 > not to, or if their "mastering" is on different topics or 
 > unconscious. OK. Let say I am pessimistic ;-)
 > But I heard an artist explain that he does not want to go to 
 > Antarctica to do artwork because it was actually increasing 
 > the pollution of the area and that artists were not doing 
 > better than the others there. OK. BUT, he still did an art 
 > project (to denounce the pollution of Antarctica) that he 
 > gave to the artists that were actually going and who 
 > installed the piece and took a nice picture of it and 
 > brought it back. MORE : in a discussion, he asked to the 
 > other artists : if you were encountering life in Antarctica, 
 > would you step on it ?" ... forgetting that *there is* life 
 > in Antarctica and that, precisely, Earth *is* a global 
 > complex system and that what he does, here in Europe *is* 
 > affecting the whole planet.
 > 
 > It is just an example that struck me. I am not condemning or 
 > judging : we all are full of contradictions (I am). And I 
 > don't know what should be done or not done (for instance 
 > artworks *in* Antarctica or in space).
 > I find it very hard to *truly* think global complexity for 
 > myself. I am not positionning myself above the others ! And 
 > I find even harder to decide what is the best to do or not 
 > to do.
 
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From:  ANDREA POLLI
I also appreciate Joel's comments about sound, I have also seen a lack
of emphasis on sound on the science side. For example, a few months ago
I had the opportunity to visit an amazing multimedia science
communication facility at one of the US agencies and although the
visualizations of climate and climate change information shown there
were amazing, in a custom designed room on an impressive VR system,
there was not a single speaker installed in the room, it was very
surprising.

 The Eco-sonification panel here at Mutamorphosis that Roger mentioned
on the list earlier happened yesterday and presented a very interesting
range of sonification approaches and projects. Some projects that were
presented as having primarily aesthetic aims, others with primarily
scientific aims. Because the issue of the environment is so politically
charged, in my opinion it was almost impossible for most of the projects
not to exhibit a kind of political perspective as well, but what was
striking to me were the projects that addressed history and memory,
Peter Cusack's Chernobyl recordings and Michale Young and Paul Adderly's
sonifications of soil samples from Lake Chad. 

 Finally, as someone who is going to Antarctica soon, I wanted to
respond to Annick's post:

> “But I heard an artist explain that he does not want to go to 
 > Antarctica to do artwork because it was actually increasing 
 > the pollution of the area and that artists were not doing 
 > better than the others there.”

 I think that this artist makes an important point, although it's not a
choice I have made, I appreciate this issue. A majority of Antarctica
remains untouched by humans and it is very important to preserve this.
For me both the understanding that a limited number of people go each
year under the NSF program I am going with (under that system, if not
me, it would be someone else--in other words, my not going would not
affect the number of people there), and the hope that I could help
communicate something about the importance of the pristine location,
seemed to justify my decision. But, I can respect other people might
make a different choice. These kinds of difficult choices are necessary
as our mere presence on Earth is having an impact: some people choose
not to fly, others choose to cut down energy use in other ways, others
choose not to have children or become vegetarian, etc. 

 We have to appreciate that the ability to make choices like this is a
privilege, many people do not have the ability to make these choices due
to lack of education, resources or access. Hopefully those of us who
have the ability to make personal choices will also take time to
advocate for governments and companies to address climate change on a
larger level.
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