hi all,
bit early for vino Adam but coffee and brandy, definitely . . .. set
hair alight, chant a few rites . . mmmmm !
Hey, hats off to your knowledge of the background guys, but you can't
get past the fact that many artists want and need protection of
authorship against exploitation, and this is a hard won right. Some
also survive on royalties and good luck to them. We will never get rid
of copyright as such, but we can change the way its thought about and
utilised. Its one huge hassle, but with enough pressure terms at least
are negotiable for change.
Seems to me, that what we want ideally is a method where the artists
assign rights as they see fit, allowing for a full range of options
from no copyright to licensing work where its relevant.
The issue right now here in NZ is how to address a draconian law that
threatens censorship of access as punishment for piracy. Most of us
would agree this is simply reactive and plainly stupid in these times.
The politicians and advocates we have however, are the ones we elect so
there's some collective responsibility here, as there also is to
respond. But to throw out the baby with the bath water would be just
as reactive.
ADA has a voice and it needs to be heard in this debate. I propose the
committee draw up a statement for release that reflects opinions and
run it past the list for comment, but lets not get bogged down with it.
cheers, Phil
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:29:01 +0200
From: adam hyde <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Ada_list] copyright: do we have an opinion?
To: Julian Oliver <[email protected]>
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On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 20:42 +0200, Julian Oliver wrote:
shall we open the floor to others? ;)
Hehe, indeedy.
I suppose most Ada'ers are sleeping around about now.
hehe! see, thats the problem with email. half the people are asleep
cause its winter, the others are running around outside in the sun
we should have this discussion in a bar, then it would be much more
fun.
we could drink wine, i could set my hair on fire, you could break yer
laptop...
:D
adam
Julian
As far as i see it, its hard to say copyright is pro-culture. You
can
say culture hasn't completely died under copyright. I would agree
with
this. But it hasn't helped.
Copyright is just a concept, and there's nothing wrong with the
concept in
itself IMHO..
Cheers,
Julian
Copyright can be pro-culture - it's just that /most/ copyright is
broken,
perverted by the 'free' market - exploited to the contrary.
However, regardless of my beliefs, the position of saying
copyright is
broken is more provocative and might encourage more people to
think
about it than taking a position on the wording of legislation.
It may do that, yep, as long as people are educated as to the
options otherwise.
As it stands I come across a lot of people that claim there is
only Copyright
(aka RIAA style) and Public Domain, which reflects a gross lack
of education on
the topic..
Cheers,
Julian
On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 11:28 +0200, Julian Oliver wrote:
..on Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:44:23PM +0200, adam hyde wrote:
hey
on the copyright issue ...
rp
i think it would be a good opportunity to provoke people to
think about
copyright - to release a statement way outside of the
arguments of this
debate, and go for the throat. in my mind that is a statement
outlining
that we think the current debate is ridiculous because
copyright is
broken and useless.
so, perhaps the position to take, and one that might provoke
people to
think and might also catch some news-space, is to tell people
that we
dont want copyright at all...
Hrmm.. as you (very) well know there is nothing wrong with
copyright in itself,
in fact copyright can't be avoided. Since the 1886 Berne
convention it's been a
naturally assigned right at the point of creating something:
you can't
not-have-made something you've already made. It's the terms of
which that are
later defined and it's here that problems propogate..
There are socially destructive forms of copyright and socially
creative forms of
copyright. The GPL is very much a copyright license as are all
the creative
commons licenses (as you know), both of which were created to
be productive at
the user level.
The difference between socially destructive copyright (no right
to remix / no
right to learn from / what you buy is not yours to share) and
socially
productive/creative copyright (right to remix, modify,
distribute) needs to be
emphasised.
To these ends I think one of the terms that really needs to be
squashed is
'CopyLeft'; it implies that Creative Commons and the GPL are
somehow
'anti-copyright' which is far from the case. This confuses
people greatly and
only serves to undermine any real education on positive, albeit
reformist,
directions in policy that benefit the public in general.
Cheers,
Julian
On Sun, 2009-07-12 at 14:46 +1200, Douglas Bagnall wrote:
hello list.
You have probably heard of fuss over "section 92a", a
proposed amendment
to copyright law that would allow for your internet
connection to be cut
when someone says you are using it piratically. It got
passed as law,
put on hold, thrown out, and is now perhaps fighting its way
back.
Throughout all of this ADA has had no position. It seems to
me that we
share considerable membership (that's you list subscribers)
with the
Creative Freedom Foundation who led the battle against
section 92 -- but
we probably also share members with APRA and SPADA who
supported the
proposal. So if we do take a position, it is not immediately
clear what
it should be.
The CFF and its opponents are being terribly pragmatic and
tactical in
what they call for. They are fighting over what the actual
law will look
like, letter by letter. Personally I'm in favour of a far
more anarchic
situation than anything the CFF dares advocate. I understand
their
reasons, of course, but it makes me wonder: if ADA expresses
an official
opinion, should it be unashamedly fringe? Should put out
press releases
like they did manifestos 100 years ago?
Probably nothing will come of this. I'm just curious as to
whether ADA
members want their trust to be making statements on stuff
like this, and
if so, what they want said.
Douglas
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