Hi I am a long time list lurker Su said I couldn't vote in the up coming presidential elections unless I replied to the list. I am sitting here now as she adds up the receipts of a lunch ate in singapore more than a year ago so I am aware of the excruciating time-wasting nature of admin. The ADA list contains many people with skills and ideas, technical equipment and knowledge. When these people mobilise for a specific project a media lab forms around them and then disapates. I am reminded of the parable of Osama Bin Lardin and the Toyota HiLux. I have to go. I had some thoughts on the copyright debate also...
nathan On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:20 PM, <[email protected]>wrote: > Send Ada_list mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/ada_list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Ada_list digest..." > > > ADA list Digest Version > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Another submission we could make: CNZ strategic plan > (Danny Butt) > 2. some info for anyone wanting to come to the EU (adam hyde) > 3. Re: Another submission we could make: CNZ strategic plan > (adam hyde) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 19:30:24 +1300 > From: Danny Butt <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Ada_list] Another submission we could make: CNZ > strategic plan > To: Aotearoa Digital Arts <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Hi all > > There's a lot to be said about the Sarai model, but I think it's > fairly specific to the location and people that are involved and > perhaps more useful outside as an inspiration rather than a "model". > For anyone interested in the backstory, the interviews with Raqs at < > http://www.raqsmediacollective.net/conversations.html > > are probably most useful, < > http://www.noemalab.org/sections/ideas/ideas_articles/caloud_sarai.html > >. > > I think the real questions, which have been turned over on ADA before > are: 1) who has a vision for something and the drive to make it > happen; and 2) will people support it and how? From my experience of > groups/labs/spaces, there are always some core personalities driving > the agenda. This isn't always a bad thing, it's just the nature of > groups. As media artist R E A quoted MLK recently, "A genuine leader > is not a searcher for consensus but a molder of consensus." > > The reason I like hanging out with artists is because they know deep > down that their own vision can be potentially more universal than any > parliamentary democracy, when it comes to the imagination. Ultimately > we all want something to identify with and believe in, and sometimes > when the discussion turns to strategic plans we can lose sight of this. > > Ng? mihi and looking forward to the AGM!, > > Danny > > > > On 5/10/2009, at 3:30 PM, trudy lane wrote: > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > Thanks Luke. I presume you mean sniffed out there Luke.. +) > > > > It seems like a listing of the artist-run spaces would also be > > useful.. > > Another one just started up around the corner from me here at work > > which seems to operate like an open workshop at times -- > > Plaything Gallery / Cnr France & Dacre St, Newton > > > > Also, could someone expand a bit further on how the Sarai model works? > > > > best, > > // Trudy > > > > > > > > Trudy Lane Intercreate Research Centre > > .- --- - . .- .-. --- .- .-. .- .-. .- -. --. .- - .- -. --. .- - .- > > http://www.intercreate.org/ e: [email protected] m: +64 21 > > 528 321 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 5, 2009, at 3:17 PM, Luke Duncalfe wrote: > > > >> > >> Hi Ada > >> > >> Just as an aside .. I'm doing a quick inventory of these maker > >> spaces / k?hanga tech / whatevers we do have that are being > >> mentioned. > >> > >> Are there any others that can be snuffed out? > >> > >> CoLab - http://www.colab.org.nz/ Auckland > >> Makerspace - http://makerspace.org.nz/ Wellington > >> Creative Space - http://chchspace.nztech.org/ ChristChurch > >> > >> Luke > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ada_list mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://aotearoadigitalarts.org.nz/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ada_list mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://aotearoadigitalarts.org.nz/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 11:13:13 +0200 > From: adam hyde <[email protected]> > Subject: [Ada_list] some info for anyone wanting to come to the EU > To: ada list <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <1254733993.19819.12.ca...@esetera> > Content-Type: text/plain > > hi, > > I just thought I would drop in the info I recently found out about > Berlin artists visas in case anyone is considering coming to Berlin. > > Berlin has a very good artist visa scheme. It is local to Berlin (ie. > not in any other German or EU city as far as I can tell). It is possible > to get an artist visa for 1 year if you can : > * prove you are an artist > * get German health insurance > * show some $$ in the bank > > there are a few other things but these are the biggies. My > recommendation, and the process I have just gone through, is to hire a > lawyer (450 eu) and let them do the work for you. The process took a > while for me since I was on the road a bit, but I would guess it would > take about 2 weeks from zero if you organised it well. > > anyways, just fyi (happy to help anyone that wants to go down this road) > > adam > > > -- > Adam Hyde > Founder FLOSS Manuals > German mobile : + 49 15 2230 54563 > Email : [email protected] > irc: irc.freenode.net #flossmanuals > > "Free manuals for free software" > http://www.flossmanuals.net/about > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 11:18:24 +0200 > From: adam hyde <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Ada_list] Another submission we could make: CNZ > strategic plan > To: Zita Joyce <[email protected]> > Cc: ada list <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <1254734304.19819.17.ca...@esetera> > Content-Type: text/plain > > hey > > ah man. why did it all have to get so nasty? I was enjoying this > conversation until it hit a gnarly bitter bend. Anyways, I want to take > this down another road if I can. No one has also mentioned the amazing > work Julian is doing in Wanganui. Hes getting involved on the local > scene and inviting local and 'over-the-seas' artists to come and do cool > stuff. > > this is what i (dimly) remember of NZ - it takes someone to step up and > do something. The big problem here tho is that, often when that person > walks away the whole thing collapses. I shudder to think what would > happen if Zoe had walked away from AF in the last years...who would have > taken over? So, my point is, I think an interesting strategy is to see > what could be done to support people already doing things, with > the hope that with some support they can keep doing it...why not, for > example, an ADA app to rally behind and support Julians work? He clearly > has the motivation in this area and is (in my opinion) a very community > minded and generous guy - so it might be nice to get behind him. Of > course, I can't speak for Julian, and I dont know what discussions may > have already taken place within ADA about this, so its just a on-the-fly > thought. > > Also, thanks Zita for pointing out the non-acknowledgement of Leons > amazing offer. Pretty fantastic. I hope there is someone to take it up. > I would if I could but wellys a bit of a long commute for me at the > mo (see next email...)... > > adam > > > On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 10:21 +1300, Zita Joyce wrote: > > well all the other posts are quite long so i just skimmed them, and > > then went and wrote a long one of my own. trying not to get grumpy, > > but failing... > > > > This has all been very entertaining, and is fairly well worn ground. > > Many of us over here have enjoyed the facilities and opportunities > of > > various spaces, residencies, and organisations in Europe and are > very > > aware that we don't have facilities that directly match them here. > > > > There are a few things we do have here that are an attempt to > address > > that lack in a way we can achieve here, and there are indeed many > more > > things that can be done. > > > > It should be relatively apparent that it's easy for people in New > > Zealand find it a bit tiring to hear what we should be doing from > > people who are in other places. Yes, sure great ideas, wanna help > make > > it happen? Cause we're pretty busy already. > > > > It's not (just) about 'funding' it's about someone actually stepping > > up and doing something. As Bronwyn pointed out earlier that's what > the > > Makerspace in Wellington is about, and it's also what the > Christchurch > > Creative Space is about (Damian you may have seen Phil present on > that > > at the ADA Symposium). They are both maybe more geek and craft > focused > > than your ideal european 'media lab / whatever', but they are spaces > > started, in Phil's case, after visiting exactly those places, in > > Vienna and such, and finding a practical way to do a version of that > > here, with dreams of making it bigger + better. The chch group has a > > space that gets used twice a week as a drop in and hang out + do > stuff > > space - it's about skill + project sharing, about coding and cross > > stitch, and about building community. > > > > Leon de Lorenzo has offered a space of his own in wellington as a > > possible starting point for something as well. That's a bloody great > > thing to see, and no-one seems to have acknowledged it (unless i > > glazed over at that bit). What helps is actually stepping up + > > offering something, not bitching from afar (not saying that's what > > some of you are doing, but it's easily read that way). > > > > I've kind of skimmed most of this discussion, but there are a few > > things that leap out that I'll pluck from the midst... > > > > Damian, > > > what is so 'unique' about New Zealand that > > > means that what works very well in more or less every country in > the > > > world > > > just won't work there? > > > > As douglas has been saying, and as is quite obvious, we are not a > > country that is attached to a whole lot of other countries, and do > not > > have the kind of people + money flow that those countries + cities > > have. As well as, and probably more difficult than that, we are > spread > > cross two pretty big islands and just cannot have the kind of > > relatively easy flow in and out of a central place as others do. > > Access to an organisation in Vienna from within Austria and a few > > other countries is a completely different scale than access to an > > organisation in any nz city is. > > > > that is not, ffs, > > > the kind of post-colonial islander vanity that > > > defaults to all-excusing apathy; of New Zealand being a land of > > > geographically > > > cursed, hard-up battlers gripped with cultural isolationism. > > it's the geographical reality that we find myriad ways to work > around > > + also celebrate, that we are enriched by and sometimes frustrated > by. > > A lot of us here travel a lot, we are actually involved with the > > world, and we come back here for many productive reasons. > > > > I think that it is more interesting + more productive in the long > run > > to find ways to make the most of that unique geography + relative > > isolation to create a different kind of distributed, mobile model of > > building community between practitioners, sharing skills, and > enabling > > access to equipment. I don't believe in concentrating all of the > > resources for a particular form of practice in a room in a city in > the > > north island. > > > > What ADA, for example, is working towards, is creating opportunities > > for connection, skill sharing, and ideally equipment access, that is > > as accessible as possible for the whole country. That's why we move > > the symposium to a different place every time, and more or less swap > > between the north and south islands. This year we expanded the > > symposium with workshops, which was hugely successful, and we'll try > > to increase access to skills + connections every time. This list is > > ideally a distributed space for building community + ideas about > > access etc, but it doesn't get used as much for that as it could. We > > have another project re equipment to announce at our amazingly > > accessible and distributed AGM on sunday that I can't speak to > > authoritatively enough yet. Basically we are about being as > > distributed as possible, and that I think is far more interesting + > > ultimately productive in this weird distributed country than being > > concentrated. > > > > The symposium is a kind of mobile lab i guess, and I'd like to see > > other more 'labby' / project and workshops-based mobile labs happen > in > > different places around the country, but I don't have time to > organise > > it. > > > > ADA isn't, and shouldn't be, the answer to this 'media lab' thing, > but > > it would be great if every city had someone who sticks up their > hands > > to create a space on some scale for connection + community building. > I > > think it would be great if there could be some funding to enable > > multiple small-scale spaces, but they need to be able to survive > > without it, because surely NAct could dismantle CNZ at any moment, > and > > the open Society Initiative doesn't see nz as a location of > interest, > > and we can't get any of the european funds etc etc. That's not > > proclaiming hard-upness, it's just pointing out that we have to do > > things differently. > > > > On 5/10/2009, at 4:45 AM, Julian Oliver wrote: > > > Anyway, as I say, you know the weather in NZ better than I. The > > > picture you > > > paint is of a country of careerists too self-interested to > publicly > > > dissemenate > > > skills and knowledge. If so, that's both boring and sad. > > > > oh, right, I see it more as a country of people with no concept of a > > 'career' (how the hell does that work?) in media art, who are unsure > > of themselves and their work in relation to the kind of work being > > made in other places, and who are not part of the flow of > exhibitions, > > residencies, etc that traverses Europe, so just don't get to see + > be > > inspired by a whole lot of stuff, and who get together every year or > > so to poublicly disseminiate skills and knowledge at ADA symposia, > and > > may not feel they have things to offer at other times. > > > > > No wonder media artists I know that've visited NZ return entirely > > > lost as to why > > > they couldn't find or connect with any local scene of makers. > > > Perhaps that's > > > because there just isn't one! > > > > No indeed maybe there isn't one. Musicians of course return feeling > > like they've just connected with an amazingly active + creative > scene, > > and I imagine that artists in other media (as opposed to 'media') > > would feel much the same. Those are long established scenes that > > thrive on little money and are well supported by art schools, > > mythology, venues of various kinds, people's homes, studios, and > > artist-run spaces, etc... none of which the 'media art' scene has or > is. > > > > I don't know what the answer is, I still hope ADA is part of it, but > > it's hard to get away from the feeling that money is. I (obviously) > > don't think that investing in a centralised resource is the answer, > > but I'd be really interested in hearing some more innovative, > > distributed, community-building, creative possibilities that could > > involve money. I'd be even more interested in hearing from people > who > > are keen to help make things happen. > > > > (there are some pretty obvious institutional elephants in this > > conversation as well of course, which probably make a lot of people > > nervous about what can happen to centralised resources, therefore, > > more distributed = better) > > > > + btw > > > Better to see public money in NZ go into a project of this kind > than > > > some > > > Shockwave Flash art on a DVD or some artist's for-sale, month-long > > > solo-show > > > somewhere in Ponsonby.. > > > > you could actually look at the cnz funding outcomes online and see > > what they do fund. > > > > + I've completely forgotten what this whole thing was about in the > > first place - cnz strategic plan anyone? > > > > zita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > -- > > > Julian Oliver > > > home: New Zealand > > > based: Berlin, Germany > > > currently: Berlin, Germany > > > about: http://julianoliver.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Ada_list mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://aotearoadigitalarts.org.nz/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ada_list mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://aotearoadigitalarts.org.nz/ > -- > Adam Hyde > Founder FLOSS Manuals > German mobile : + 49 15 2230 54563 > Email : [email protected] > irc: irc.freenode.net #flossmanuals > > "Free manuals for free software" > http://www.flossmanuals.net/about > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Ada_list mailing list > [email protected] > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/ada_list > > > End of Ada_list Digest, Vol 80, Issue 14 > **************************************** >
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