kia ora koutou, hello i have been following this discussion [thanks to you all for your passionate responses great!] -but not responding so far because i have been involved in uLearn [technology education conference in chch]
some thoughts: while it is not absolutely necessary to be on the ground - we have some great examples of the local re:mote [thanks adam and zita, thanks indeed to this list] and there are some fantastic tools that can be used to bring about ideas/tech expertise exchange it is possible and important and cost effective - this is what i do for a 'day job' in schools - also much of the UpStage work play/ workshop is remote for me BUT speaking for remote communities YOU lot with all your ideas, knowledge, creative energy, aroha is something that really cannot be replicated [however you get there! i'd say yacht but really in terms of understanding covering great distances i'm still looking forward to jaunt aka the tomoro people! - essentially from that first focussed event the flow on effect of such an experience is then so much more easily facilitated online [ i reiterate a lotech residency for any of you traveling through] and i have 13 schools that would fall over themselves to support anyone of your collective skills and experience should you be in the region also don't forget the great work of National Library - Aotearoa Peoples Network in getting technology out to at least regional communities that have a significant enough population size to have a library [i am positive they would support/host/love a workshop/s [as an organisation outside of education institutions] * it is increasingly VITAL for artists to reach into schools and i'm sorry that Damien that you see a distinction between an artist as a student and one who has left the 'education system' - when do we stop learning? - there is no longer money for arts from Ministry of Education in the compulsory sector - they have this year scrapped the hugely successful artists in schools programme, cut art coordination funding, the advisory service [assistance for teachers] except where the outcome is literacy and numeracy thanks to the refocus on 'national standards' there is a big discussion that can also happen around the literacy of arts but as we all know the struggle to make applications fit contestable funding outcomes and the time and energy involved [plus all the other learning areas that compete for these dollars sidelines the arts yet again - - - i must also make a small observation and response to the post by Ian the waiata was not delivered from Auckland to the West Coast [it was by VC] the original concept was students at Northland college receiving credits in maori performing arts by tutoring students at Harihari happened first at the end of 2007 - this year it was repeated an aspect of a wider project that involved six primaries from Harihari through to Haast working with two kaiako on a weaving project that started at the new local marae where the process and art could not and should not be removed from the culture that surrounds it - as you say Ian it is what we breath [spin offs for here include a step toward greater openness and communication between the communities via the students involved and more info on http://tinyurl.com/rarakawanaka i also wonder aloud about the link you sent regarding the fibre loop in nelson [the article was dated 2006 - what has been happening there? where are the projects that utilise this indeed awesome opportunity for students - and maybe the work of Mark and his like will provide resources for others to pick up and use the 'proposed' new broad National Education Network - which schools will be the 3% that don't get it though? http://www.nzherald.co.nz/education/news/article.cfm? c_id=35&objectid=10601883 part of the mahi for the last week has been the work of the group of 'ePrincipals' in trying to define the work we all do in our respective communities nationally to better access resources provided by MinEd, and other Govt. entities [one of the working groups which i am on is about liaison with other communities ...] i will also add to the wiki - but felt like reflecting some thoughts this way [offline at mo] arohanui vicki ") On 9/10/2009, at 3:28 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Send Ada_list mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/ada_list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Ada_list digest..." > > > ADA list Digest Version > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: os school (Damian Stewart) > 2. Re: os school (adam hyde) > 3. Re: os school (Ian Clothier) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:45:31 +0200 > From: Damian Stewart <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Ada_list] os school > To: Ian Clothier <[email protected]> > Cc: Aotearoa Digital Arts <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Ian Clothier wrote: > >> These are the kind of activities that need networking to assist >> sustainability; our role might be being the glue. Lets move from >> one off >> activities to co-ordinated, relevant interconnection. > > i'm a little concerned about the direction this has taken towards > education. as an artist, i don't want CNZ money / ADA support > energy being > spent on education systems - that should be the educators' roles. > and as a > member of this 'us' group, i don't want to be the glue. > > (although, to be sure, i don't know many artists on this side of > the world > who don't also teach). > > -- > damian stewart | skype: damiansnz | [email protected] > frey | live art with machines | http://www.frey.co.nz > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 13:52:26 +0200 > From: adam hyde <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Ada_list] os school > To: Damian Stewart <[email protected]> > Cc: Aotearoa Digital Arts <[email protected]>, Ian Clothier > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <1255002746.4912.128.ca...@esetera> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 11:45 +0200, Damian Stewart wrote: >> Ian Clothier wrote: >> >>> These are the kind of activities that need networking to assist >>> sustainability; our role might be being the glue. Lets move from >>> one off >>> activities to co-ordinated, relevant interconnection. >> >> i'm a little concerned about the direction this has taken towards >> education. as an artist, i don't want CNZ money / ADA support >> energy being >> spent on education systems - that should be the educators' roles. >> and as a >> member of this 'us' group, i don't want to be the glue. > > > well...i can think of a number of reasons why education is good here, > and why artists are good glue... > > 1. most artists involved in technology, imho, have a passion for the > tech. indeed, i would say that many works are a result of exploratory > tinkering borne out of fascination than the desire to 'make an > artwork'...with most things that one has a passion for comes the > eagerness to share this enthusiasm. this is what, imho, makes tech > artists good educators - although many get paid for it, many actually > enjoy it...call it sharing what your passion, call it education - who > cares? > > 2. in my experience, 'education' (especially how we have been talking > about it re. the van) is one of the most interesting venues for new > media artworks. blah blah galleries. take your work to the people - > give > them a reason to encounter it (installation in a public space, > presentation at a weird and seemingly unrelated conf, used as an > example > for teaching)...this is where I personally have the most exciting > responses to the work I have been involved in. for example, science > museums - fantastic venues for art- they are edu. institutes - but > holy > schmoly - wanna see someone get excited about new media art? > install it > in a science museum. the reactions will live with you forever, whereas > (for example) galleries are usually dull affairs, best seen as venues > for the progressive staging of art careers than the presentation of > art > works. > > 3. if done appropriately, presenting your work in a edu context (as > teaching materials) gives you the opportunity to actually talk about > what you know and what you were exploring with the work. it might > actually give you the opportunity to let people really know what > you are > on about since most inhabitants of the new media ecosystem work on a > keyword level understanding of tech...and, imho, any venue to talk > about > a work is good since talking about it also helps you understand it > yourself > > 4. imho being an artist is a very privileged position. usually only > available to the wealthy. its kinda good to 'give something back'. > education is a good opportunity to do that..naive that might be, but > sometimes naivety works quite well > > > adam > > > > >> >> (although, to be sure, i don't know many artists on this side of >> the world >> who don't also teach). >> > -- > Adam Hyde > Founder FLOSS Manuals > German mobile : + 49 15 2230 54563 > Email : [email protected] > irc: irc.freenode.net #flossmanuals > > "Free manuals for free software" > http://www.flossmanuals.net/about > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 03:28:14 +1300 > From: "Ian Clothier" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Ada_list] os school > To: <[email protected]>, "Damian Stewart" <[email protected]> > Cc: Aotearoa Digital Arts <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Well sure there is education money for education and art money for > art. Those funds should be spent accordingly. > > But what provides resource for art and science, or art and > technology, or art and humanities or art and culture? What I > believe is that electronic art provides a broad context for > engaging with these issues. > > The other thing is, while I am involved in tertiary education I am > not directly involved in primary, intermediate or high school. > Frankly I'm more interested in the social function that schools > play and therefore the wider reach they have into society and > culture, wider that is than the limited sphere of the art > environment. There are greater discussions than the art limited > ones, and the nurture of our cultural technology environment in > this country is of pivotal importance to the future of our > children, and therefore the future of our nations. > > Art might need to step out of itself, in order to take up a role > that engages whole heartedly with the community. Is that a bad > thing or do we really need to be worried about art in so doing? > > Digital or electronic media provides an excellent context for the > discussion of the integration of art into actual society and > culture. One day art might not be art, but be simply breathing. And > electronic media artists are well positioned to monitor breath, as > are our medical colleagues. > > ADA discussion gets better and better. > > Ian M Clothier > Director > Intercreate Research Centre > intercreate.org > ianclothier.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: adam hyde [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Fri 10/9/2009 12:52 AM > To: Damian Stewart > Cc: Ian Clothier; Aotearoa Digital Arts > Subject: Re: [Ada_list] os school > > On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 11:45 +0200, Damian Stewart wrote: >> Ian Clothier wrote: >> >>> These are the kind of activities that need networking to assist >>> sustainability; our role might be being the glue. Lets move from >>> one off >>> activities to co-ordinated, relevant interconnection. >> >> i'm a little concerned about the direction this has taken towards >> education. as an artist, i don't want CNZ money / ADA support >> energy being >> spent on education systems - that should be the educators' roles. >> and as a >> member of this 'us' group, i don't want to be the glue. > > > well...i can think of a number of reasons why education is good here, > and why artists are good glue... > > 1. most artists involved in technology, imho, have a passion for the > tech. indeed, i would say that many works are a result of exploratory > tinkering borne out of fascination than the desire to 'make an > artwork'...with most things that one has a passion for comes the > eagerness to share this enthusiasm. this is what, imho, makes tech > artists good educators - although many get paid for it, many actually > enjoy it...call it sharing what your passion, call it education - who > cares? > > 2. in my experience, 'education' (especially how we have been talking > about it re. the van) is one of the most interesting venues for new > media artworks. blah blah galleries. take your work to the people - > give > them a reason to encounter it (installation in a public space, > presentation at a weird and seemingly unrelated conf, used as an > example > for teaching)...this is where I personally have the most exciting > responses to the work I have been involved in. for example, science > museums - fantastic venues for art- they are edu. institutes - but > holy > schmoly - wanna see someone get excited about new media art? > install it > in a science museum. the reactions will live with you forever, whereas > (for example) galleries are usually dull affairs, best seen as venues > for the progressive staging of art careers than the presentation of > art > works. > > 3. if done appropriately, presenting your work in a edu context (as > teaching materials) gives you the opportunity to actually talk about > what you know and what you were exploring with the work. it might > actually give you the opportunity to let people really know what > you are > on about since most inhabitants of the new media ecosystem work on a > keyword level understanding of tech...and, imho, any venue to talk > about > a work is good since talking about it also helps you understand it > yourself > > 4. imho being an artist is a very privileged position. usually only > available to the wealthy. its kinda good to 'give something back'. > education is a good opportunity to do that..naive that might be, but > sometimes naivety works quite well > > > adam > > > > >> >> (although, to be sure, i don't know many artists on this side of >> the world >> who don't also teach). >> > -- > Adam Hyde > Founder FLOSS Manuals > German mobile : + 49 15 2230 54563 > Email : [email protected] > irc: irc.freenode.net #flossmanuals > > "Free manuals for free software" > http://www.flossmanuals.net/about > > > > > This communication - including any attachments - may contain > legally privileged > information, and is confidential to the addressee. > > If you are not the intended recipient you should delete the > communication and contact the sender immediately. > > If you have received this e-mail in error, you must not read, copy, > disseminate, > distribute or otherwise use or disclose any part of this > communication, or any > information on matters or persons to which it refers. > > WITT reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications sent > through its network. > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Ada_list mailing list > [email protected] > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/ada_list > > > End of Ada_list Digest, Vol 80, Issue 45 > **************************************** --------------------------------------------------------------------- : vicki smith : facilitator [ WestNet : ICARUS] : w: http://southwestlandarea.knowledge.net.nz : e: [email protected] : s: +64 3 753 3012 [static] : t : +64 21 778 067 [travelling] : artist : http://www.avatarbodycollision.org : http://upstage.org.nz/blog : http://www.flickr.com/photos/upstage ----------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Ada_list mailing list [email protected] http://aotearoadigitalarts.org.nz/
