Hello Dear Colleagues,
I am reading all of these comments and statements without giving any vote on
the matter.
By reading this one, I thought I may write some sentences.
I agree with the ones writing that the policy is not fully solving the
issue. But I think we should adopt this policy ASAP as short-term
solution. That way we win a period of additional 12 months to define a
stronger policy .....
why not go for that stronger policy right now?
why not stop transferring all IPV4 addresses at all? closing all of these
businesses.
Isn't it true that we are encouraging people toward IPV6? So, isn't it true
that letting people to transfer their spaces (selling them),
will provide additional addresses to those who need it and as a result it
delays IPV6 deployment?
with kind regards,
Saeed.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ciprian Nica
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 10:48 AM
To: Opteamax GmbH ; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] 2015-01 Draft Document and Impact Analysis
Published
Hi,
I agree with the ones writing that the policy is not fully solving the
issue. But I think we should adopt this policy ASAP as short-term
solution. That way we win a period of additional 12 months to define a
stronger policy which defines that prefixes from last /8 may not be
transfered at all... and maybe even a (not address) policy defining that
natural person which where discovered to willingly abuse the community
will be banned from ripe membership for the rest of their lifes.
I wouldn't want to bring this subject but it seems that most of the
people are looking at the problems witht the eyes shut.
Let me give you an example:
- 37.222.0.0/15 - allocated on 05.04.2012
- 5.132.0.0/16 - allocated on 02.07.2012
- 5.224.0.0/15 - allocated on 06.09.2012
All theese were given to a natural person from Netherlands. During that
time I was working for a very large ISP that had a very important IPv6
deployment in place. I remember it was very difficult to get a /14,/17
and I was told it's necessary to get the RIPE NCC's board approval for
such a large allocation (I actually asked for a /13 but wouldn't get it).
Where are that IPs now ? Did this natural person expand that fast and is
now a large ISP in Netherlands ? Most of them are already cashed out for
millions. This single example did more damage than all the "hoarders of
the last /8". Was this possible without some inside help ? Has RIPE NCC
noticed this kind of abuse (as it's not the only one) and did anything
about it ? Why are we focusing on the small fish ? Maybe it's, as I
said, just smoke meant to prevent us from seeing the real fire. I'll
have to amend the Hamlet quote and say that something is rotten in
Netherlands.
The intention of those /22 from last /8 was giving the opportunity to set
up transformers connecting ancient V4 world to shining new V6 world. There
is no need of taking over those addresses, even for mergers and
aquisition. If some LIR are using those V4 for other purpose then creating
gateways between old an new world ... fair enough, but with that kind of
stronger version they'd already know that this addresses are not
transferable. And they'd simply have to deal with it. Actually I don't see
a reason why not requiring very strong reasoning for each transfer. The
default shall be all resources have to be returned. I am sure thar
requiring the need to argue for several months to get resources transfered
will make lot's of transfers obsolete, because that way the transfer
becomes uninteresting for most cases. Only LIR with real world used and
needed resources will take that discussion. And all traders will silently
disappear.
If RIPE NCC would present to the community the problems they see, maybe
we could come up with some policies to prevent them. But we should not
waste the energy on small, irrelevant problems.
So my conclusion on all those "-1 it doesn't solve"-mails: Adopt this
proposal now to prevent further abuse during definition of a much more
restrictive policy"
I think it is an important argument. Doing something that has no
positive effect is just smoke that makes some of us sleep better while
the problems might become worse.
Ciprian
