> On 15 Jan 2018, at 12:09, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Then, my reading is that EVERY policy proposal can always reach consensus, is 
> just a matter of finding enough folks (or virtual voices) that register into 
> the mailing list and support the proposal vs non-supporters.
> 
> Not sure if you see my point?

That's very true. I don't even understand what point you're trying to make. :-)

Your reading/understanding of the PDP is flawed Jordi. RIPE642 explicitly says 
a proposal may not reach consensus. Or even get to a point where a consensus 
decision needs to be taken. So it's simply wrong to say every proposal can 
always reach consensus. Common sense should tell you that too. You should also 
be aware that we've had policy proposals which have died one way or another. 
They didn't reach consensus. QED.

And yes, in theory it's possible for a charlatan to "stack the deck" by having 
their (ficticious) friends express support for a proposal. [That's an unwelcome 
side effect of having an open community with no membership/eligibility 
criteria.] This is where the sound judgement of the WG's chair comes in. They 
should be able to detect these kinds of manipulations and take appropriate 
action. There are further checks and balances too. The appeals procedure mean a 
dodgy consensus determination can be scrutinised by the WGCC and the RIPE 
chairman.


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