el paso, texas. as for casting someone else had said that i/we should've waited and it might've worked out better. funny thing is if i hadn't had mentioned that they weren't the original guys then no one would've known any better. as for the original actors - highly unprofessional to not show without any message what-so-ever. so they are now on my "do not call" list.
to be honest the 2 original guys were black and white. just so people would think that's what it was about, but they didn't show and you gotta work with what you've got. heck i didn't even get the original girl. --- In [email protected], "Frank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your welcome Lance... > > BTW, where do you live at? > > About the spot.. I think the casting did muddle it some.. and heck > the fight could easily have been race related.. that might have made > increased the impact of the message.. Even racial differences were > put aside.. blah, blah, blah... > > About camera unsteadiness as a technique.. I don't like it much > either, for the record, and I think its because, as a viewer, it > makes me work harder than I'm used to watch whats going on in the > frame.. But it does what its suppose to do. > > -Frank > > > > > --- In [email protected], "lancer777" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > thanks frank! by the way how are things? we are miles from the areas > > hit by katrina, but i believe some refugees are headed for one of > our > > school district's gymnasiums. almost a good 1,000 miles away but i'm > > glad we can help out. > > > > the funny perhaps ironic thing about the clip...some people think > the > > beginning confrontation is a racial matter, but in truth both guys > are > > hispanic. if i had more time the actual confrontation is over the > girl ;-) > > > > --- In [email protected], Frank Mixson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > I surprised to see this topic still going, so I thought I'd give > it > > another look. I was real surprised by the 2 comments listed > here... > > It's meaning is pretty clear to me.. but who knows, i only have a > > GED, so I might have it wrong, lol. > > > > > > Lets see, on Sept 10, 2001 (when watching something, try to absorb > > as much info as possible.. think of the dates on the spots as > > 'clues'), two kids got into a fight about something. What were they > > fighting about? who cares? Next sequence is the World Trade Center > > bombings video being watched by the some kids. The next sequence > has > > date too, Sept. 12, 2001(hmmmm...... ), and shows the 2 kids from > the > > first sequence shaking hands, exchanging words, and then heading > > toward the US Marines > > > recruiting center... Duhhhhh... OK, I'ma apply some GED math > to > > this.. Two kids fight over something one day, America is attacked > the > > next day, the following day, the kids put aside their differences > and > > join the Marines. > > > > > > > > > Hmmm.... looks like a recruiting spot to me. Sometimes when > > examining the bark of a tree, some miss the forest entirely. > There's > > a lot more to the production of video than technical mastery. There > > is also the use of symbolism, unfortunately, sometimes it is culture > > specific.. A buddhist, might not get the christian symbolism > > inherent to western art, and a christian might not get the taoist > > references that are in many eastern arts.. I like to watch > foreign > > movies, for just that reason. I'm surprised that these people didn't > > 'get it'. Maybe you had to be here on Sept 11, 2001, to 'get it'. > > > > > > But hey, what do i know? I don't have any degrees in this stuff.. > > but like most americans, I don't need anyones permission or approval > > to do it anyway.. Also, unsteady shots are quite the norm, now, > at > > least here... Think NYPD Blue. The eye is not allowed to rest, > > anxiety is increased in the veiwer, and a greater sense of being > > 'present' is created in the veiwer. Sounds appropriate for the > > sequence of them watching the TV (not sure if it was done > > intentionally or not though, in this case, but it can easily be > > argued as an artistice choice). > > > > > > I also think that the viewers in this country are used to it now, > > and that any unsteadiness in the camera work in this spot is > > overlooked as people try to figure out what it means.. Which is > what > > you want to do in film anyway.. make the viewer think, and keep > > watching until they have figured it out or finally 'got it' . Like > I > > said, I'm just guessing, I only have a GED, so I could be wrong. And > > I've been to movies with people that didn't 'get it'. They > unvariably > > didn't like the movie. > > > > > > I had to say all that, Lance, because I got some nasty remarks > from > > some folks across the pond about my stuff too. Don't worry, I think > > it just speaks to the resentment of americans in the rest of the > world > > right now. Misery loves company. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/ADr1lB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Adobe-Premiere/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
