Thanks so much for your tips - I see my AKG C1000S mics have been in the wrong place, I'll try your suggestion (I have been using the church's audio mixer panel out to the camera's and have been careful about where the camera's are to avoid excessive cable lengths). The organ is a 2-manual Flentrop, not too large and no electro-mechanics, in a 1970's church building with some hard walls but minimal cathedral-like reverberations. Lighting is an issue and overall aesthetics is problematic. But the upside is that the organist is very good!
Zoom microphone? Coupled with the camera lens? Interesting concept! Well, an Encore test run just finished so I better go check it out. Thanks again for your info. Lee From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan K Baker Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 8:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AP] Re: Recording Pipe Organs [was: Video storage on punchcards?] Hi Lee. Organs and pianos have been notoriously difficult to record. This is partly due to the sheer dynamic range of the audio that they produce and sometimes due to the building surrounding the organ. My association is more with Theatre Organs than Classical Organs, so I guess I have it slightly more easy than some, due to the fact that most venues have 'soft' surroundings, so you don't get the cavernous reverberation that gets produced in hard-walled churches. The classic rule of thumb for microphones is one stereo pair approximately 1/2 to 3/4 of the auditorium length back from the sound source, and about 16 feet from the ground! Now that ain't easy with a camcorder. :-) You really need to use a microphone that can be moved in relation to the way the camcorder's pointing for video, or record a separate sound track and synchronise is with the video on the AP timeline. I guess that you may have realised by now that the sounds from a pipe organ (any sort) don't come from the console, except on the smallest of self-contained installations (rare). So, of you are pointing a standard camcorder or even professional VTR (that has a forward facing microphone) at the console, you are at an immediate disadvantage. If you don't know where the pipes actually are in the building, the organist will usually be able to tell you, and that's where the microphone should point. I use a Sony HDD camcorder with a short stick microphone that sits on top and can be horizontally swivelled and that works well. It's also a zoom microphone, so it has a changeable cardiod response according to the lens's zoom setting, although that's not always useful with organs, as it's generally pointing in a different direction to the lens! However, I also get good results with a Sony digital tape camcorder which has a fixed forward facing microphone. If you're recording in some cavernous cathedral, I think you need to seriously think about making an independent sound track, where you have total control over the audio capture, and none of it depends on the lens position. Regards, Alan. www.theatreorgans.co.uk www.virtualtheatreorgans.com Admin: ConnArtistes, UKShopsmiths, 2nd Touch & A-P groups Shopsmith 520 + bits Flatulus Antiquitus ----- Original Message ----- From: Lee Menningen To: [email protected] <mailto:Adobe-Premiere%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 4:42 PM Subject: RE: [AP] Video storage on punchcards? I note your association with organs from the signature - I'm currently doing an organ project and have never before encountered anything as difficult as an organ on the balcony in a church! After several Premiere projects, multi-camera sequences, and maybe 150 GB of footage we still don't have any useable video with good audio!........................... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Adobe-Premiere/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Adobe-Premiere/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
