>If some company would put a few brain cells together, they'd realize 
>there's a market for an AFFORDABLE desktop LTO4 or LTO5 drive. LTO 
>tapes are relatively cheap but the LTO4 and later drives are insane 
>prices, even for used ones. $1,500 or more for a tape drive?! The 
>tapes can be found for $40 or less. Used LTO1/2/3 drives can be 
>found for decent prices, but their uncompressed capacity has lagged 
>behind newer hard drives.

Gregg:

I used to work on an enterprise backup/recover app (NetWorker) so I'm 
pretty familiar with high-end tape drives.  I've talked with HP, IBM 
and Quantum about the large market waiting for a USB interface LTO3 
or 4 drive, but the volumes they run at are so low that the prices 
remain high, and they don't care to risk trying to enter a new 
"low-end" market, no matter how profitable it might become.

That said, I just checked NewEgg and you can get a Quantum or 
Tandberg LTO-4 drive for under $2k - which may seem like a lot, but 
they really are built for enterprise use, and won't break in a year 
and a half.   I currently run a couple of LTO-4 drives (thanks to a 
good friend at HP), and what I've learned is:

1:  When you're backing up video, expect about ZERO 
compression.  Video is already seriously compressed, so there's no 
gain there.   I normally get about 820 - 850GB per 800GB LTO-4 tape.
2: The tape drives are so fast that you will be limited by your disk 
and computer speed.  (They can do over 80MB/s uncompressed - but my 
quad-core system is lucky to actually write about 1/2 that 
speed.  Remember that you're backing up files, not image, so there is 
all of the OS overhead involved)
3: Recovering video files from LTO-4 is VASTLY faster than 
recapturing from DV or HDV.   (The video tapes run at about 3.5 MB/s 
and I'll see 40MB/s recovering from LTO).

So - yes, LTO is expensive, but you will probably outgrow the 
capacity limit on the drive before you see any hardware problems, so 
the purchase price will get spread over quite a few computer 
lifetimes.  (Since I've been the recipient of HP's generosity over 
the years, I've migrated all of my LTO-1, LTO-2 and LTO-3 tapes to 
LTO-4 largely to save space:  8 LTO-1 tapes fit on one LTO-4....)

>I consider it a 'holy grail' to have an offline or near-line backup 
>that can copy a hard drive to a single piece of media which costs 
>less than the drive being backed up. Extra bonus points if it does 
>it without compression. AFAIK, Linear Tape Open is the only one that 
>can do that, except for the LTO drives costing more than several complete PCs.

If you're really looking for a reasonable alternative, the Quantum 
DLT-V4 drives (160GB native) can be found for under $600 US with a 
SATA interface, so you won't even have to get a SAS or SCSI 
HBA.   The tradeoff is lower capacity and somewhat more expensive 
media - about $38 per 160GB vs $28 per 800GB for LTO-4 {tape4backup.com}.

edc  

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