I think you also need to consider duty cycles - how much data does TSM push
per day, how hard will you be pushing the tape drives.

In my discussions with IBM & STK, they BOTH say that the LTO drives are not
designed to replace "enterprise class" drives, meaning the 3590's or 9840's.
The construction is just not designed to take the beating that the 3590's or
9840's are.   Which is why the drives are more expensive than LTO (DUH).
The 3590 & 9840 drives also have some performance characteristics that make
them faster than LTO for some operations (like dealing with a lot of
start/stop activity).   

This is neither good or bad.  It's a matter of matching your hardware to
your environment.

We have a TSM server here with some 9840 drives that run OVER 10 HOURS per
drive per day.  That is quite a beating.  Nothing short of a 9840 or 3590
will do. 

We have two other TSM environments that are much more sedate.   Those would
do fine with LTO.

Something else to consider.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Guillaume Gilbert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 4:38 PM
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Subject: Réf. : LTO Tape OR 9840


Hi Joni

I personnaly prefer 9840's but the bean counters love the LTO because the
drives are very much lower cost and the cost per GB is lower. The 9840 is
probably the best
drive/tape on the market today. The native thruput of 9840b's is 20 mb/sec
while the LTO is 16 mb/sec. The start/stop on the 9840 is considerably
faster than the LTO.
Reclaiming a 40 - 50 % full LTO took me 4 to 5 hours (client compressed
data) and I can move data a full 9840 (client compressed data) in less than
30 minutes. I reclaim
my 9840 at 40% and do about 20 to 30 tapes a day easy. Is your STK silo a
9310 or a 5500? Or is it one of the smaller ones like a L180 or L700? With
the big silos the
mount time is not much of an issue. The seek time will be faster with the
9840.

As for tape life, I've been working with 9840s for a little over a year
without any tape failure.

I look at it this way : if I lose a 9840, I loose a max of 20 GB of data.
With an LTO, I loose 5 times that.

Guillaume Gilbert
CGI Canada




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Objet :   LTO Tape OR 9840

Hello everyone!

The environment here is going to be changing soon... We will be moving off
of the mainframe and onto an AIX server that will be on our SAN.  We will
have 1 STK silo for the tapes for 2 TSM servers.  Right now we are
considering IBM's LTO or STK's 9840.  I was just wondering if anyone out
there has had experience with either one and if so,  what are the pro's and
con's of them?  Has anyone that has worked with LTO know how long it takes
to recover a bad tape?  Considering that they are 100GB tapes, it was
assumed that it would take 5 times as long as it does to recover a Magstar
3590(20 GB).  And also, do the tapes get damaged easily or is that all a
matter of handling them to take them offsite to vaults?  Thank you!!!!

Joni Moyer
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