My 2-cents....

        I've always read notes about OS mirroring V.S. TSM mirroring with interest. I 
understand the arguments and they sure seem logical and scare me into thinking I need 
to do TSM mirroring on my systems.

        However, we have been running 8 TSM servers on AIX hosts for over 7 years. We 
mirror the DB and recovery logs at the OS level and have never had the problem 
described in this "scenario". We've had the systems crash because of power outages, 
crash in the middle of DB backups, crash in the middle of expirations, crash in the 
middle of a busy backup window, crash during filespace deletes, crash during a "delete 
dbvolume". You name it, we've crashed one of our servers during that activity. None of 
the "disaster scenarios" have appeared.

        Sure, you might say "well you've just been lucky". Maybe so, but with luck 
like this, perhaps I need to go to Vegas ;-). Perhaps credit is due to our 
environment: AIX's LVM (logical volume manager), SSA disks, fast-write cache with 
battery backup.

        Why have I resisted mirroring using TSM? Main reason is that I find it 
cumbersome. At our site, we have many people on the oncall rotation, some with very 
little TSM experience, but all with AIX experience. Since we use OS mirroring on all 
other hosts (Sybase, Oracle, etc.), replacing a failed mirror on the TSM servers is 
much more similar and straightforward when using OS mirrors then compared to TSM 
mirroring.

        Also, with OS mirroring, when I want to move DB volumes around (for load 
balancing across SSA adapters, upgrade to larger disks, replace failed disks, etc), I 
run 1 "delete dbvol" command and it all moves to the new disk (previously defined). If 
I use TSM mirroring, it took 3 or more steps and more than twice as long to accomplish 
the same task.(delete dcopy, define dbcopy)

        There has also been discussion about better performance using one mirroring 
over the other. Although I have no data to substantiate it, my gut feeling (right 
after I switched from TSM mirroring back to OS mirroring) was that TSM mirroring was 
slightly slower than OS mirroring.

        In my case, I trust AIX mirroring, it works better with our oncall support 
model, it's simpler. If it works well and it's not broke, I won't mess with it. Your 
mileage may vary....

Ben Bullock
Unix system admin
Micron Technology Inc.
Boise, Id.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jurjen Oskam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 2:05 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Partial page writes - TSM mirroring vs OS/hardware mirroring


Hi everybody,

I have read several discussions in the archive about the TSM mirroring
versus OS/Hardware mirroring of the database and/or log.

Both those discussions and the Administrator's Guide mention "partial
page writes". To see if I understand correctly:

- When writing a database or log page to disk, there is a point
  in time when the on-disk structure of a volume is invalid. If the
  process of writing that page is interrupted (e.g. power outage)
  at the "wrong" time, the on-disk structure remains invalid.

- The TSM server can be configured to create a mirrored database or
  log, and, when updating a page on disk, to first update the page on the
  first mirrored copy and then update the page on the second mirrored copy.
  This way, a partial page write can still occur, but by sequentially
  updating the mirrored copies there is at most one mirrored copy that
  is invalid due to the partial page write. The other copy is valid.

- When starting the TSM server, it cannot use an invalid copy of a
  a database volume. If no valid mirror is available, the TSM server
  cannot start and a database restore is necessary.

- A partial page write is a shortcoming of TSM; the on-disk structure
  should always be valid. Page writes should happen atomically. (Of course,
  the responsibility of TSM doesn't need to go further than the "sync"
  procedures of the OS. If the OS says the data is synced to disk, TSM
  can assume it *is* synced to disk. Otherwise, the OS/drivers/hardware
  should be fixed.)


My question is: in recent versions of TSM, do page writes happen atomically
or not? I would like to use the mirroring in our Symmetrix, but if TSM is
still vulnerable to the problem of partial page writes invalidating volumes
I would have to use TSM mirroring.

Thanks,
--
Jurjen Oskam

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