I think the post got away from you there. :-) On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 07:30 +0000, Paul Cowan wrote: > Just what happened to my original post?? > > Not once did I mention mono > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 18:27:54 +0100> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: > > [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Cool open source> To: > > [email protected]> > > -----Original Message-----> > > > From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics. [mailto:ADVANCED-> > [EMAIL > > PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gregory young> >> > Winforms support is very well > > underway http://www.mono-> > project.com/WinForms> > So's Hurd. And Duke > > Nukem Forever. OK, that's an unfair comparison in many> respects, but I'd > > have a lot of difficulty in recommending any business> decision on the > > basis of a not-yet-usable open-source or free project. It's> too easy for > > one of the key people to get hired by a competitor/get run over> by a > > truck/lose interest, and for that to stall the project. If it's> delivered > > to the point where it's usable, that's different. If it has the> backing > > of a major company, again, that's different (because they can afford> to > > hire replacements for key people). When I looked, Mono with Winforms> > > wasn't anywhere near that. It may or may not be now. (And I would class> > > 100%-compatible for 95% of applications as usable, not 95%-compatible for> > > 100% of applications.)> > > I personally disagree with this statement > > though. If you put a winforms> > interface on a *nix box or mac (yes I am > > treating mac differently) your> > users will hate your interface. It is no > > different than when you use> > something that has a GTK based interface in > > windows, its different you> > don't> > like it.> > That's OK - I didn't > > send the email for everyone to agree with me!> > Even so, I do believe that > > if Mono could "just run" .NET apps, it would put> Mono, GNU/Linux, and .NET > > all in much stronger positions. The fact that it> can't means that you > > can't treat an application as independent of its> platform, even though > > we're /so close/ to that with .NET.> > I mean, we have a nifty runtime for > > a completely abstract intermediate> language. We have ECMA standardised > > base APIs. We have relatively> well-documented non-standardised libraries > > that allow you to create useful> programs (like ASP.NET and Winforms). And > > these are rich, usable> applications, not like the lowest common > > denominator approach that AWT took.> > I really, really like the idea of, > > say, writing a ClickOnce application that> Just Works, whether they're on > > Debian, Ubuntu or Vista. And as I said, I> think that would be > > tremendously valuable.> > The interface issue you mention is indeed a > > thorny one. I love Ethereal to> bits, but its GTK interface means I have > > to think twice about actions that> are second nature in other programs. > > It's very annoying. But I still use> Ethereal, because it's such a great > > tool.> > You're right though - the interface issue won't be solved just by > > having> Winforms in Mono.> > > I advocate using a MVC/MVP type pattern and > > actually producing native> > interfaces sure you are only reusing 90% of > > your code instead of 100%> > but> > you have happy users. Given for > > situations where you might have 50> > users> > running in unix this > > obviously is not worthwhile but for any serious> > user> > base...> > > > Absolutely (and good advice irrespective of porting). I just don't think> > > that'll happen. I think the typical VB shop will take one of their VB.NET> > > applications, investigate how much effort it'll take to port, then either> > > try and fail or conclude it's not worth the cost or effort. I don't see> > > that situation as being any different from the old C + Toolkit approach> > > which some companies used quite successfully but most never bothered with.> > > > I don't want to sound down on Mono, and I'm sorry if it comes across > > that> way. I really would like it to make porting/recompiling a thing of > > the> past. And I really did think that, when it came out, that was the > > point.> > Geoff> > > > ===================================> This list is hosted by DevelopMentor® > > http://www.develop.com> > View archives and manage your subscription(s) at > > http://discuss.develop.com > =================================== > This list is hosted by DevelopMentor® http://www.develop.com > > View archives and manage your subscription(s) at http://discuss.develop.com > -- Zac Bowling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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