On 2008?10?31? 19:55, Qingye Jiang (John) wrote:
> Hi Wayne,
>
> I will have to agree with you. Yes we have started the effort to build
> OSUG's in Dalian. It is coming very close now...
>
> I guess the difference in Linux vs OpenSolaris communities has its root
> in history. Linux is perceived as a grass-root movement, where the open
> source communities existed before Linux companies. OpenSolaris, on the
> contrary, became open sourced from a close-source commercial software.
> We have seen people who feel natural to join a Linux community from the
> Windows camp, but doubtful when talking about OpenSolaris.
A counter example: MySQL vs. PostgreSQL.
I have been thinking for years why some opensource projects got popular
while others not. I haven't got a concrete answer yet, but I believe
there are many factors.
thanks/Xinfeng
Honestly
> speaking, a lot of people are still thinking that Sun is trying to fool
> people by attaching an open source flag to a proprietary OS. OpenSolaris
> has come into existence for more than 3 years, we have witness
> increasing interests from developers from different areas, but we have
> not yet see large number of (none-Sun, or not affiliated with Sun)
> enthusiasts who are willing organize a local OSUG.
>
> Sun is a member of the OpenSolaris community. In fact, it hosts the
> largest number of OpenSolaris developers and users across the world. In
> this situation, I think Sun should actively go out, and organizes OSUG's
> to spread Sun's thinking about OpenSolaris. In the ideal case, the
> OSUG's should gradually evolved from led by Sun, to assisted by Sun, and
> then self-sustain. I myself believe the Linux model should be our final
> goal, but it will take some time to get there.
>
> This is why I like the way Chengdu, Hangzhou, and Xi'An organize their
> OSUG's. I do have members from my team attending these activities. But,
> most of the time they participate in discussions, and encourage none-Sun
> folks to do the heavy-weight talking. Although my team also actively
> sponsors the activities of BJOSUG, we might not take it as a model that
> can be promoted across the nation. BJSOUG has come into existence for 2
> years. Right now it still depends heavily on Sun speakers. It is good
> that OpenSolaris knowledge is effectively spread through this model, but
> we might not be able to build a strong none-Sun OpenSolaris community
> through this. And, areas far from Beijing do not have regular Sun
> speaker resources anyway so they actually can't learn from what we are
> doing in Beijing.
>
> Best regards,
>
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> W. Wayne Liauh ??:
>> I guess OpenSolaris/Solaris operates quite differently from Linux. In the
>> latter (e.g., SuSE or RedHat/Fedora Core), it is always local people who are
>> not related with the corporate entity who operate user groups.
>>
>> There are, of course, pros and cons with each model. However, if anyone
>> asks my opinion, I would say that I much prefer the Linux model, but to be
>> actively assisted by Sun employees.
>>
>> OTOH, as far as software goes, Dalian is probably "the" most important city
>> in China--if not now it will definitely be in the future. During my most
>> recent trip to Taipei, I learned that the computer manufacturers in Taiwan
>> have successfully lobbied daily direct flights from Taipei to Dalian. This
>> should underscore the importance of Dalian in the eyes of the high tech
>> people at least in Taiwan. And it is going to become very obvious in a year
>> or two.
>>
>> Thus, I am wondering whether we should try our best to establish an OSUG in
>> Dalian. I will be more than happy to participate, and pledge our supports
>> from Hawaii.
>>
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