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Best, Uros Nedic ---------------------------------------- > To: advocacy-discuss at opensolaris.org > From: carton at Ivy.NET > Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:32:21 -0400 > Subject: Re: [advocacy-discuss] Stickers? > >>>>>> "un" == Uros Nedic writes: > > un> Sounds like interesting idea, but I would not like to see > un> OpenSolaris stickers on places like restrooms :). It'd > un> definitely ruin the brand. > > ?! > > someone open a window. It's getting stuffy in here. > > seriously, what is your ``brand''? best OS at running ponderous Java > and COBOL apps for stiff top-heavy banks? A restroom is a thoroughly > appropriate place for a sticker, assuming the restroom owner doesn't > mind. no stickers in bathrooms == ``use opensolaris because you > probably won't get fired when someone finds out you did it''? > > un> Also it is interesting to start discussion how we would like > un> that people perceive OpenSolaris and our Community. > > one that aspires to greater openness and transparency than it > currently offers would be my perception and my vote. > > Maybe it's my bias to define things in terms of what they want to > escape, but bias or not this negative definition is really helpful in > giving a direction, and direction is worth more than just giving a > position, and it's more inspiring and effective at winning attention, > too. Give a direction and show how we'll get there first: that's the > best way to win over developers. > > Solaris has a terrible legacy to overcome: that of an ossified, > expensive, thorougly proprietary, awkward and AIX-y unwelcome > replacement for the much-loved Sun OS 4.x, used as an Oracle platform > and little else, at least little else by choice. > > A second part of Solaris legacy is for renaming things in a way that's > confusing and arrogantly overestimates the amount of attention people > feel the obscure thing warrants, insults the audience by implying they > will be tricked by manipulation of language and version numbers, as > well as making it impossible to clearly talk about anything thus > creating this huge credibility gap of ``who's in charge of this > twitchy desperate mess?'' SunPro/SunStudio had at least one or two > other names. The version numbering of Solaris itself has been renamed > *TWICE*. OpenSolaris itself has been renamed---'OpenSolaris' used to > refer to the code coming out of hg---that is, the actually open > parts---while now it refers to the IPS distribution CD (which not only > includes proprietary software but is itself proprietary since > developers cannot currently run a full deevlopment cycle from hg -> > DVD as you can with *BSD). Most other Sun products suffer from > similar renaming difficulties: the one I've seen is iPlanet/Sun > One/Sun Java Communications System/...whatever. iPlanet and Sun Pro > are arguably best-in-class but wtf?! Java version numbering was > renumbered and inflated too. > > so what the hell am I even advocating with the sticker? After I > sticker all the bathrooms of the coolest German programmers, will the > name change to be repointed at something else? because it already > changed once, to point at something a lot less cool, albeit simpler. > so I think I will keep on putting up GPL stickers for now, and using > opensolaris source with ambivalence while taking the time to advocate > only those specific parts of it which are awesome, like > ZFS/dtrace/zones, quieter but big-fucking-deal stuff like InfiniBand, > multi-ring NIC's, mdb, scalability to huge numbers of cores, and > architecture/process stuff like the formal tracking of bugs and > architecture improvements and interface stability which would be > completely awesome if we could find a way to bring in money and put it > behind the right work. I'll advocate this and not the whole thing---I > actually don't see here a positive brand to support, but rather > something very ambivalent---so what I have to say about it is too > complicated for a sticker. > > Maybe you do want to blindly get behind the whole mess (even if the > name is repointed again). Fine. The whole point of a sticker is to > be your voice and yours only, so use it. > > But in any case, cargo-cult copying of ingenuine markedroid behavior > gets my -1. _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx
