On Saturday 08 July 2006 02:47, Eric R. Meyers wrote: > Hi Shlomi, > > I'm very happy to get your response. You two are the wiki experts, not me. > > On Friday 07 July 2006 17:47, you wrote: > > Personally, I feel that putting the central Perl wiki within Wikipedia > > may not be such a good idea. That's because Perl hackers may wish to > > deviate somewhat from Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View. For example, the > > Perl wiki may have an entry about Python, Ruby, Tcl, etc. with some > > criticisms of their approaches of doing things. > > There is a correct time and a correct place for everything. There are some > things that are appropriate to be placed neutrally under the Perl topic > within Wikipedia itself, and some are not, so we just need to organize and > police things smartly, moderating the content as needed to make it public, > while providing external links out to the proper private location, or > locations, for the Perl biased expressions to occur. No foul and no > problem, I believe.
Right, but this will fragment the Perl central wiki. If people have to look in two different places, this would be confusing. I'd rather have one wiki and that's it. > > I also believe that a truly objective Perl person could legitimately write > a factually valid and complete critique about the various programming > languages, comparing "their approaches of doing things" without showing a > bias toward any particular language, or languages. True, but see below. > We just need to be very > fair, complete and moderate in what we do for the general public. It's > simply a difference between the formality of writing from "Wikipedia's > Neutral Point of View" and someone quickly hacking out an expression of > their Perl biased opinions in a more private Perl setting. Yes, but I still believe that a Perl wiki may be somewhat different than a Perl section in the wikipedia. > > I think that the Wikibooks will also be very interesting to Perl people. > Indeed. There's already a beginning of a book there about learning Perl (and possibly some other book). My "Perl for Perl Newbies" lecture series: http://www.shlomifish.org/lecture/Perl/Newbies/ Is released under the CC-Public-Domain, and parts of it or it entirely can be integrated into the Wikipedia or wikibooks. > I still have a lot of research to do with the many other things that I've > learned in the discussion that I've had with the people on foundation-l. > OK. > > As I noted I believe Wikia may be more appropriate for it, because from > > what I understood wikis there may be somewhat biased. Ask Bjorn Hansen > > claimed he would rather wait for Socialtext to release their Open Source > > wiki beta, which he'll set up in the perl.org domain, than to use TWiki > > or MediaWiki. We may wish to be patient, and to use perl.net.au in the > > meantime. > > Angela Beesley, from Wikia, notified me via email yesterday that she has > setup http://perl.wikia.com and a [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. I have > the administrative information to provide to you later. I don't plan to do > anything with these without our mutual agreement. I don't own these, we > do, and I'm always very fair, complete and moderate with people. First of all - thanks. We'll have to see what we do about it in regards to the already exists perl.net.au. Perhaps we can get Ask Bjoern Hansen to point http://mediawiki.perl.org/ (or http://mw.perl.org/ or whatever) at either place. In the meantime, I'll add stuff that I find appropriate to http://perl.net.au/. I've already subscribed to their wiki-wide RSS feed. > > I've no problem with your call for patience, and I was just beginning to do > my own research, asking my own questions and expressing my own ideas. Well, I don't know about the Socialtext wiki and how compatible it is with MediaWiki, but it does sound interesting. I suggest that we don't wait for it to be released and for a central wiki based on it to materialise, and instead start working on http://perl.net.au/. Note that the http://perl.net.au/ admins may wish to move the contents (and history) of the wiki over to http://perl.wikia.com/ in order to relieve the burden of the administration. But it's their decision not mine. Best Regards, Shlomi Fish --------------------------------------------------------------------- Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.shlomifish.org/ 95% of the programmers consider 95% of the code they did not write, in the bottom 5%.
