Hi Mark, (1, 2, 3). The fact that you cannot have campaigns (or adgroups within a campaign) with duplicate names has been a standard behaviour in AdWords for quite a while. So having to rename a campaign / adgroup to a never-to-be-used-again name before deleting is something that becomes a requirement (to maintain the uniqueness of name) since you cannot modify a deleted campaign. I'll ask our techwriter to add this on the best practices guide. (4) No, the UI will also start enforcing this requirement instead.
Cheers, Anash P. Oommen, AdWords API Advisor. On Thursday, June 11, 2015 at 9:30:48 PM UTC-4, Mark wrote: > > 1. So if the agreed-upon method of handling 'undelete' is to always rename > to a never-to-be-used-again name before removing, then why don't I see it > in the documentation somewhere? > > 2. If it's not possible to unremove an adgroup with the same name (either > via an ADD or SET or otherwise), why is this simple fact not in the > documentation? > > 3. If the 201406 version was moving towards a goal by requiring the absurd > workaround of renaming before delete, what is that goal? > > 4. Did the 201502 version have either a fix or a better workaround for > this? > > On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 4:48:05 AM UTC-8, David Midgley wrote: >> >> Hi Anash/API Team >> >> It's been two and a half months since the last reply on this and the >> 201402 API has been sunset for a while now. Do you have an update on this? >> >> Currently my app is alerting users to manually rename a deleted adgroup >> so it can create a new adgroup. As you can imagine this is not very >> practical... >> >> It would be great to get clarity as to whether the GUI is going to change >> to disallow editing of removed adgroups (ie harmonise with how the API >> currently works) or if the API will re-enable the ability to modify deleted >> adgroups in the future. >> >> Any kind of update would be great please! >> >> Cheers >> >> David >> >> On Monday, 3 November 2014 15:41:43 UTC, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API >> Team) wrote: >>> >>> Hi Eric, >>> >>> We are still looking into this, and we are aware of the upcoming 201402 >>> sunset. I'll update you once I hear from the team. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Anash >>> >>> On Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:35:32 AM UTC-4, eric.ste...@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Anash, >>>> >>>> Were you able to find out about the uniqueness behavior on adgroups? >>>> The 201402 version is sunsetting soon, so we need to know what we have to >>>> do. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Eric >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Eric Maas <eric.ste...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) < >>>>> adwordsapia...@google.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Eric, >>>>>> >>>>>> Campaigns don't enforce unique name in deleted items, I'll check with >>>>>> the team if the same behaviour can be extended to adgroups. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Anash >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, October 20, 2014 5:56:04 PM UTC-4, eric.ste...@gmail.com >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Anash, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can you find out if the unique constraint is still going to be >>>>>>> enforced going forward for removed items? If AdWords is no longer >>>>>>> going to >>>>>>> allow you to unremove an item, it seems strange that removed items >>>>>>> would >>>>>>> still be part of the uniqueness check. As we've described in this >>>>>>> thread, >>>>>>> it presents problems for API users, but I would also see it creating >>>>>>> problems for UI users as well. The user would try to create a new Ad >>>>>>> Group, the UI would tell them they can't because the name is already >>>>>>> used - >>>>>>> but when the user goes to look for it they can't find it, or they think >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> look at the removed Ad Groups and find it there, only to find they >>>>>>> can't >>>>>>> change it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Eric >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team) >>>>>>> <adwordsapia...@google.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi David, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The team got back to me telling that this change is not feasible, >>>>>>>> so you need to rename and then delete if you need to maintain unique >>>>>>>> name. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Anash >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Friday, October 10, 2014 6:23:34 AM UTC-4, David Midgley wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Anash/API Team >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now that v201409 is released the countdown has started on the >>>>>>>>> sunsetting of v201402 which basically means we need a workaround to >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> problem soon as v201402 is the only live version that allows the >>>>>>>>> renaming >>>>>>>>> of deleted adgroups! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anash, you mentioned: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> " >>>>>>>>> I've asked the team to investigate whether it is feasible to allow >>>>>>>>> deleted adgroups and campaigns to be renamed. I'll update the thread >>>>>>>>> as I >>>>>>>>> hear from them >>>>>>>>> " >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Have you heard from the team? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> David >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 18 September 2014 14:51:46 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen >>>>>>>>> (AdWords API Team) wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Mariusz, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've asked the team to investigate whether it is feasible to >>>>>>>>>> allow deleted adgroups and campaigns to be renamed. I'll update the >>>>>>>>>> thread >>>>>>>>>> as I hear from them, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> Anash >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:43:41 AM UTC-4, Mariusz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> One more thing to bear in mind is that you probably should >>>>>>>>>>> version deleted adgroups. Imagine: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - user creates adgroup “test” >>>>>>>>>>> - then deletes it, so the system first renames it to >>>>>>>>>>> “test_del” and then marks as deleted >>>>>>>>>>> - user creates again adgroup named “test” >>>>>>>>>>> - user tries to delete it >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The system will fail in step 4, because it will try to rename >>>>>>>>>>> adgroup to “test_del”, but that name already exists. So what you >>>>>>>>>>> may do in >>>>>>>>>>> that case is to detect the error, and try to rename it to >>>>>>>>>>> “test_del1”. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mariusz >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 18 September 2014 08:24:33 UTC+1, Oliver wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Just thinking loud here, if the adgroups are deleted via your >>>>>>>>>>>> software, what if you rename the adgroup *before *you delete >>>>>>>>>>>> it? We used to use a similar approach where we appended the text >>>>>>>>>>>> "_del" to >>>>>>>>>>>> all adgroup names that are about to be deleted. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously, if the adgroup is deleted via the adwords interface >>>>>>>>>>>> rather than your software, then the above won't help. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Oliver >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:33:22 PM UTC+1, David >>>>>>>>>>>> Midgley wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Anash/API Team >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I responded to your question. Is there anything else you need >>>>>>>>>>>>> to know? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It would be great to get an answer on this please! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> David >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 15 September 2014 16:04:31 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen >>>>>>>>>>>>> (AdWords API Team) wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I remember correctly, the name needs to be unique in only >>>>>>>>>>>>>> active + paused items, not globally (with the new change). So if >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the user >>>>>>>>>>>>>> deletes an adgroup with the same name, you could create one with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same >>>>>>>>>>>>>> name again. Let me know if you are seeing a different behaviour, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I'll >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask the team to investigate this further. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anash P. Oommen, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AdWords API Advisor. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 8, 2014 2:29:07 PM UTC-4, David Midgley >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the quick response Anash! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me explain my use case and maybe you can find a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> workaround? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are working on an optimisation application that uses a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strict naming convention for campaign and adgroup names. If a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accidentally deletes an adgroup, my software can't correct the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> error by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recreating the adgroup because if we create a new adgroup with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name in the same campaign we'll get a duplicate adgroup name >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> error. Our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solution to this problem was to rename the deleted adgroup >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which enabled us >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to create the new adgroup. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that we can't rename the deleted adgroup and we can't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> create a new adgroup with the same name, how can we enforce our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strict >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> naming convention? This naming convention links adgroups >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between campaigns >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and is critical to our operations. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We could "version" adgroup names, but this seems pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> untidy. We could use labels, but this could create thousands of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> labels and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more (potentially error-prone) manual work. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you think of a workaround? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 8 September 2014 19:15:49 UTC+1, Anash P. Oommen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (AdWords API Team) wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AdWords API v201406 no longer allows you to undelete >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> campaigns, adgroups, etc. The UI and older API versions allows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behaviour for now, but they will eventually start working like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> v201406 works today. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anash P. Oommen, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AdWords API Advisor. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 8, 2014 11:19:45 AM UTC-4, David >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Midgley wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm having problems with a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY" error. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It appears that you can't "undelete" an adgroup (ie set >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any properties of a removed adgroup, including Status) or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even add a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyword to an existing adgroup where that keyword was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> previously deleted. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This seems to be a change between the v201402 and v201406 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> versions of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> API. Obviously these are things that you can do via the UI. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is mention of this in another post: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/adwords-api/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OPERATION_NOT_PERMITTED_FOR_REMOVED_ENTITY%7Csort: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relevance/adwords-api/uLdWDk7dMgs/kCLnPsog1UAJ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is this a bug? 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