I'd agree with Geoff that photography has had a profound effect on the
artworld -- and I would  agree with William that "We can't go back to
pre-photographic mental constructs of perception." -- or, actually, I would
only partially agree with William  --i.e. many people can't go back -- but
some people can - and the way they go back is through one of many available
disciplines of visual art.

Just yesterday, on sculpture.org,  a young man showed the group a study of a
body-builder's back that he had made from studying photographs. Was it a good
sculpture ?  Well -- today's artworld knows nothing about bad, it only knows
what prices have been paid -- or as William put it regarding paintings, "what
is stupid color?"

But since that young man asked the listers for an opinion, I posted the image
of the Belvedere torso for comparison, and suggested that if he preferred that
piece to his own, he should stop studying photographs.

But the choice is up to him -- and quite possibly he will be become a more
successful "artist", and  even a professor of art and art theory,  if he
ignores my advice.


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