In your post below: Geoff: isn't there a confusion between sensation and 
perception?

In another post you wrote: " will still need to be shown how that will 
influence how persons value "art". Pls give me a few days to answer. 

Must tell you that I join Boris when he wrote: "Art is good for our cells." 

In neurosciences/neuroaesthetics, maybe verbs like "to value", "to be good for" 
require new interpretations.

Names/people: neuroaesthetics is a term coined by Zeki a few years back in a 
conference in California so it is fairly recent. I wanted to suggest that the 
people I named be considered the "ancestors" or precursors of that discipline. 
Neuroaesthetics didn't come out of the blue, it's more like a step in a long 
process. For example; I think that Montaigne was a precursor of phenomenology 
even if that particular term came up much later.

Yes, Cheerskep I'm working (7 days, 14 hours a day) - in an institution with 85 
kids who have different types of cerebral palsy. I also write protocols for 
brain investigations. You don't have to like my tone, me, what I write or say, 
but pls address the issues. Opinion? it's like a nose, everybody has one. Might 
also be good to stop interpreting and repeating and rewriting other people 
posts, just state your beef. I was under the impression that this forum was not 
about power or championship or collision; look at the vocabulary you are using. 
Blame your frustration on me if that makes you feel better. Now that the world 
knows what you think of me, could we move on?

As William wrote, he is not in the business of demonstrating the validity of 
the contents of the texts he reads and studies. Nor will I demonstrate to you 
the "sensing" in the prokariotic cell, nor will I demonstrate to you the 
effects of music on the plasticity of the brain of a severe spastic 
quadriplegia (effects studied by neuromusicology - fits under the 
neuroaesthetics umbrella). You put yourself in a comfortable chair and ask 
people to demonstrate what you are not willing to investigate just to dismiss 
it later, and then you lecture people about honesty...

And then this business of putting down ex alumni from certain colleges and 
universities.... jeez ! You are not your diploma but what you do in your daily 
life.

Anyways. Geoff I will try to answer your point about "valuing art".

Luc



----- Original Message ----
From: Geoff <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 6:19:57 PM
Subject: Re: Geoff, Neurology and "Art"

William: Recognizing sensing: Maybe I'm missing something. If I put my hand on 
a hot element on a stove, I don't stop to consider what sense has been evoked. 
I (if I can claim intention) pull my hand away.
Persons who don't feel pain are in real trouble (some do exist). I need no 
persuasion regarding the value of sensing. I know of no other reliable way of 
learning that doesn't involve a sense. Now, your point was?
Geoff C
----- Original Message ----- From: "William Conger" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: Geoff, Neurology and "Art"


> How can you value what you sense if you don't recognize the modalities of 
> sensing?
> WC

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