Yes, you should explain how jumbled the paintings are.  You are entitled to 
experience the works as you please but it's one thing to experience the work 
and another to judge it, admitting that the two engagements are related. To 
experience the work we center on our one to one engagement and liking, which 
requires some sort of consonance between our personal history, both 
psychological and lived, but to judge a work is to explicate its merits and 
faults against a broad spectrum of historical literature of the work, the 
scholarship, and other work by its artist and others both contemporary and 
otherwise and also to relate one's personal experience of the work, and 
insights derived from that experience.

Actually, both paintings conform to the classical compositional format of the 
High Renaissance -- with the use of the triangular grouping of figures, and the 
dynamic composition involving lines that flow from one figure to the next, as 
if to unite them on the surface while they remain separated by the illusion of 
depth.  And what brilliant color!  It's extremely difficult to harmonize colors 
at nearly full saturation as Titian did.  Further, his later work exploits 
texture and  paint handling with dazzling virtuosity -- and that influenced 
generations of later artists down to the present.  Further still ,  beautifully 
rendered flesh and other natural forms in Titian's works are simply unmatched 
until Velasquez.   You need to acquire a taste for Venetian painting and the 
emergence of the baroque sensibility in the 16C

Again, serious judgment of historical artworks requires deep familiarity not 
only with the work in question but with the artists' life and other work, 
including that of  his/her contemporaries, and the scholarly and even popular 
literature concerning all of that both contemporary with the artist and 
afterwards.  A judgment does not really require liking the work although one 
might reasonably expect that for the sake of sensitivity to nuance and 
sustained interest.  Liking is personal enough to not require judgment in the 
fullest sense but only in the private experiential sense.

Again,  anyone may like or not like something but that is relevant to the 
experiencing personality alone, not to the something in question.  Judgment is 
a different, far more complex  matter.  That's why it's common for art scholars 
who seek to rank art often devote their whole careers to one or a few artists 
whereas casual art lovers may like or dislike dozens or hundreds of works they 
experience and not feel the need to justify their experience as judgments.
WC
 




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From: Chris Miller <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 8:57:07 AM
Subject: Judging the late Titian

Before launching an attack on Titian's late work -- I thought I'd take another
look on the internet -- and realized that it was only a few pieces that I
can't stand -- especially those two that were recently in the news: "Diana and
Actaeon"  along with "Diana and Callisto" -- as shown here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7584902.stm

Do I really need to explain how jumbled these are?  They should be cut up to
protect the good areas from the bad.

(and I also can't stand the two statues in the background of his last,
probably unfinished,  painting, "Pieta")

Regarding the rest of  William's assertions -- I do not agree that "one who is
deeply informed about that artist and the literature examining him/her" is
necessarily a better judge of aesthetic quality than anyone else -- although,
I would also not say that "most ordinary judgment is equal to the most
informed"

We just have a different idea as to what qualifies as "most informed".

I've been getting into the culture of Hindustani music a  bit, lately, and in
one memoir, the author wrote of  an old man coming up  to her and her teacher
(a famous singer) and recalling a concert he had heard 30 years earlier, and
then making a thoughtful, and very useful comment.  He clearly was
knowledgeable about the art, but he was nothing like a professional scholar.

Could  a non-professional scholar make a good judgment about some new findings
in microbiology or astrophysics?  I don't know - perhaps - but it seems less
likely, because a good judgment in those fields  requires familiarity with a
large body of evidence and theory -- while the only evidence required to judge
a painting is presented by
the painting itself, and theory should be irrelevant except as a  way to
explain a judgment that's already been made.




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