The Hospitallers and the Templars were at odds and both vied for power, meaning coercive power, over the kings and popes. some say that the hospitaliers in England were the investing force behind the Plimouth Colony and the English Templars (remnants) were behind the Jamestowne Colony. I don't know, but an interesting newer book is The Secret Founding of America, by Nicholas Hagger, 2007. His thesis is that the Freemasons, as latter day Templars, were the organizing force behind the colonies of Jamestown and Plymouth. I'm a descendant of founders of both colonies and have life membership in the Society of Mayflower Descendants and in the Jamestowne Society, I'm not a Freemason but many forebears were. I'm glad Miller says Sir William because there are many Knights, Lords, Barons and Earls in my lineage, including three signers of the Magna Carta, and I am a descendant of the Plantagenets as well, a royal pedigree to the kings of England and France, and Norway, going back to the murky dim past to Alfred the Great. But I'm not smug about it....at least 100 million others have similar lineages. The difference in my case is that I have the proofs, (as do many, many others). At any rate, whenever I'm feeling overly persecuted as a lowly artist/artisan of little property and fragile means, I turn to the worldly adventures of my ancestors who once ruled the great manors and sat on thrones and sent their Miller antagonists to the Tower, and to the Block, or in moods of tolerance, into lonely exile far, far away. wc
________________________________ From: Chris Miller <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 8:13:12 AM Subject: Re: inevitable and resolved: Sir William the Templar Regarding the Templars, I was recalling Chapter 12 of Jean De Joinville's first person account of the Seventh Crusade. In that chapter, envoys from "The Old Man of the Mountain", i.e. the chief of the Hashshashins, visited King Louis in Acre to extort cash in the time honored tradition of "you pay or you die". The Hashanashins (or Assasins) didn't have an army, but they did have a reputation for effective infiltration with no concern for their own safety. What was good King Louis to do? "On his return, the envoy found his majesty seated so as to have the Master of the Hospital on one side and the Master of the Temple on the other." The upshot being, that instead of receiving tribute, "The Old man of the mountain" began to pay it. ************* Is Sir William of Conger truly as fearsome as those 13th C. Templars? Perhaps. But as warriors grow old, in both Christendom as well as the Orient, we often find them leaving the battlefield and entering the monastery. ____________________________________________________________ Online Trading - Get the latest information on trading online. Click Now http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxQzTmg9HA5wzfVgLgGFVXZO4 NVRWCKSYxYH3r3gKhNQLMW3QuDjgs/
