William writes:

> Re Cheerskep's comment below, agreed. But if we agree with Cheerskep,
> then his
> ornamental words, meant to convey his disparagement and authorial
> superiority,
>
Disparagement, yes. But "authorial"? I feel less authorial there than
editorial.   Though I concede that if I knew I were writing for   a sizable
public readership (which, say I, Mamet did know) I'd have avoided the fatuity
of
his "THE job", and "Everything".

William writes on:

"[Cheerskep's words} such as 'fatuous' and 'careless', are themselves
improper and too limiting."

I won't pretend I know what William has in mind here, but I think he could
have been pointing rightly at a kind of lazy sprawl of my own here. What I
mean is this. When I write, "Here are two mistakes in those few short lines",
I'm criticising both the lines and the writer of those lines.

William adds:
> ". . . once Cheerskep expressed his pugnacious judgment with the word
> fatuous, he was on a roll, as theater folk say,  and soon felt compelled to
> add the word 'careless' in case the reader skipped over 'fatuous' without
> being tripped."  Don't forget my disparaging word 'dim'.   I'm asserting the
> lines and their writer display fatuity, carelessness, and dimness.
>
But I do not mean my indictment of Mamet applies to everything he says or
does. At the time he wrote these lines, he was not at his best.

William asks:

 "After learning that Mamet is a
> very smart guy (Is that because he is a successful guy?)"
>
No. In England, I once saw Mamet be very smart on one of Clive James's chat
shows.   Also on the show was Jeanette Winterson, a writer whose lacerating
tongue was much sharper than her intellect is. You could tell from minute
one that Winterson came cocked and loaded, craving this opportunity to
destroy that male chauvinist Mamet. (Another image that came to my male mind
was
that of a defensive lineman in football, coiled in a three-point stance,
raring to flatten the opposing quaterback.)

Within a very few minutes, Winterson had been easily confuted again and
again by an unfailingly cool Mamet; she was heatedly sputtering, contradicting
herself,   and looking thoroughly out of her league.


>  William recites my remarks, and comments: ". . . all of which
> enables us to raise Cheerskep's perspicuousness above Mamet's which , of
> course,   is the real purpose of  Cheerskep's comment."
>
No, that's not right. I really did attack Mamet's statements because I
think they're damagingly wrong in the disdainful, too-quickly dismissive way
that can characterize Mamet at his worst. (My evidence comes in part from
having once been his publisher. I ran the joint, but I was not his editor. I
saw
the editor make a number of justified recommendations for reconsideration of
faults in the script -- and Mamet conveyed he was not about to look again
at this thing.)

In truth I'd hate to find myself   in a live one-on-one debate with Mamet,
especially now, in my shuffling later years. However, depending on the
subject, I wouldn't flinch from a correspondence debate with him, by which I
mean
one that would give me time to consider at length my own remarks as well as
his.
>
> Mamet wrote:
> > - The job of mass entertainment is to cajole, seduce and flatter
> consumers
> > to let them know that what they thought was right is right, and that
> their
> > tastes and their immediate gratification are of the utmost concern of
> the
> > purveyor. The job of the artist, on the other hand, is to say, wait a
> > second, to the contrary, everything that we have thought is wrong. Let's
> > reexamine it.
> >
> > DAVID MAMET, *Salon* interview, 1997
> >
> Mamet, a very smart guy, is nevertheless often deeply full of it. And I've
> had evidence that he is loathe to reconsider anything he says once he's
> said
> it. He is not an expert on "Reexamining" his own pronouncements. Once he's
> said it, thou shalt be satisfied with it.    Here are two mistakes in
> those
> few short lines:
>
> It is fatuous to assert what "THE" job   of either the 'artist' or the
> 'mass entertainer' "IS".
>
> It is both careless and dim to assert that "EVERYTHING" we have thought --
> no matter how narrow the subject   -- is ever wrong.

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