I suspect Cambium wouldn't care a whole lot at this point, since that hardware is all pretty much obsolete. If you did something like turning a PMP450 SM into a PTP450, then you might get a lawsuit.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 1:46 PM Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: > It survived a reboot with one more minor change, and a little bird told me > that it was possible on v11 as well. I wonder, if I show you all how to do > it simply with a JTAG if I'd get a lawsuit. I would bet you money that the > lawsuit would hit very swiftly. Perhaps I am wrong. Cambium, do you mind > if someone sends these WISPs down the rabbit hole, or is this a one-sided > argument? Does your license agreement allow me to reverse engineer Cambium > radios, as a WISP, and then show my fellow colleagues how I can do it? > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018, 6:39 PM Jason McKemie < > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > >> I'd agree with most of this, however I do think their decision to go >> after a WISP was a mistake. >> >> On Wednesday, August 15, 2018, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Read the licensing agreement on both provider's radios. You will find >>> that UBNT we're well within their right to sue, and I am honestly surprised >>> that it did not happen sooner. The attitude of 'I own it, and can do what >>> I want with it', doesn't hold up according to both of their licensing >>> agreements. >>> >>> You may recall when vendors and customers were changing a couple of >>> hexadecimal digits in order to turn Canopy SMs into APs. As I recall, this >>> went on for a long time, and only stopped because Cambium sent their >>> lawyers after everyone involved. >>> >>> This issue is pretty cut and dry, and UBNT are well within their rights >>> on this, and will almost certainly prevail in this lawsuit. >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018, 5:34 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: >>> >>>> Chuck, >>>> >>>> Thank you for your response and thank you for the board looking into >>>> the matter. Yes an ultimatum is an extreme position but I didn't start >>>> this, Ubiquiti did. >>>> >>>> This is an extremely serious matter for all the members so i decided to >>>> scream loudly and publicly, i'm not a politician, just a business owner >>>> that sees our industry under attack. We are a *service provider >>>> association*, not a *vendor association* and we are nice enough to let >>>> vendors into our group and give them access to our members. I know they >>>> also supply some much needed funding for WISPA, but it's a two way street >>>> and the association should be *EXTREMELY concerned when a vendor sues >>>> it's own customer*. Yes it will be tried in a court of law but that >>>> doesn't mean WISPA can't also take action. >>>> >>>> I'm not trying to cause a division, ubiquiti is at fault for that. I'm >>>> just raising alarm bells that they are attacking us, their customers. >>>> >>>> I look forward to the board's response. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:44 AM, Chuck Hogg < >>>> ch...@allpointsbroadband.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Sean, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> When I joined WISPA, it was for many of the same reasons you joined. I >>>>> loved the community, wanted to be a part of it, and wanted to ensure that >>>>> everyone in the WISP industry is given a fair shake. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I appreciate you raising this issue, although I wish you would have >>>>> called me or another WISPA board member before giving WISPA an ultimatum >>>>> on >>>>> the members’ listserv. I’m concerned that your approach stokes division >>>>> and >>>>> argument, rather than unity. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Like you, I'm sad that these WISPA members have been unable to work >>>>> out the issues between them and have resorted to duking it out in court. I >>>>> hate to see little guys get caught up in this mess. But as others have >>>>> said, we have no idea at this time whether the allegations are true or >>>>> false. They're just allegations at this point. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Nonetheless, these are serious issues, and you've asked the board to >>>>> act. We will of course consider your request, meaning we will gather what >>>>> information we can and determine whether and when we can make an informed >>>>> and meaningful decision. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Please feel free to reach out to us directly as this case continues to >>>>> unfold. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Chuck >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 2:46 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> An Open Letter to WISPA, the Board of Directors and all WISPA members. >>>>>> >>>>>> Our industry and indeed WISPA itself if founded on the bedrock of >>>>>> helping one another to further our industry and our businesses. This >>>>>> group >>>>>> is a dedicated, committed group of IT cowboys that try their hardest to >>>>>> get >>>>>> things done and move forward. When one of our members suffers or has >>>>>> difficulty, we are all there to stand with them and provide whatever help >>>>>> necessary. When disaster strikes we jump in and help as in the case of >>>>>> several hurricanes and bad storms over the years. We also actively >>>>>> strive >>>>>> to help each other solve difficult problems whether it be configuring a >>>>>> server, securing financing, finding the best hardware solution to solve a >>>>>> problem or any other myriad of issues our businesses face the members of >>>>>> WISPA are there to help! I joined WISPA because I felt it was a great >>>>>> thing for me and my business and I want to support WISPA anyway I can, >>>>>> however our membership is being attacked from within and I call on the >>>>>> board to take corrective action immediately and forcefully! >>>>>> >>>>>> Ubiquiti Networks has recently sued Cambium as well as Blip Networks >>>>>> (a fellow WISP), Winncom Technologies (a WISPA vendor), Sakid Ahmed >>>>>> (Cambium VP of engineering) and Dmitry Moiseev (project engineer at >>>>>> Cambium) over Cambiums “Elevate technology”. I’ve attached the legal >>>>>> complaint so you can read all the details yourself. Basically the group >>>>>> is >>>>>> accused of “hacking” ubiquiti equipment by loading a different operating >>>>>> system and user interface on Ubiquiti subscriber radios so that they >>>>>> interoperate with Cambium ePMP access points. This is no different than >>>>>> someone loading windows on a Mac, or vise versa someone building a >>>>>> Hackintosh out of PC parts and loading MacOS on it. Or more to the point >>>>>> someone loading DD-WART on a linksys WiFi router. However, regardless of >>>>>> the merits of the complaint, what Ubiquiti is doing is a clear violation >>>>>> of >>>>>> everything that WISPA stands for! >>>>>> >>>>>> I’ve also attached the WISPA mission statement, Goals, Code of >>>>>> ethics, and Article 8 of the By Laws. Ubiquiti is in clear violation of >>>>>> all these sections and *I hear by call on the board to terminate >>>>>> Ubiquiti’s membership in WISPA. A HOUSE DIVIDED CANNOT STAND!* We >>>>>> must get rid of any bad actors amongst us so that we can continue to >>>>>> accomplish everything WISPA stands for. >>>>>> >>>>>> *IT IS EXTREMELY UNNERVING TO SEE UBIQUITI SUE ONE OF OUR FELLOW >>>>>> WISPS.* What kind of business actively sues it's own customers? >>>>>> Who will be next? Our businesses are too small to be forced to defend >>>>>> ourselves from this bad actor in our organization. I fear that any one >>>>>> of >>>>>> us could be next on the chopping block and i’ve invested way too much >>>>>> time, >>>>>> energy, sweat blood and tears to see my business or a fellow WISP >>>>>> attached >>>>>> by a wall street company with deep pockets that can sue us out of >>>>>> existence. >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope the rest of the membership will join in signing this letter >>>>>> and that the board will remove Ubiquiti from our organization and send a >>>>>> message that we will not put up with this kind of business ethics. If >>>>>> the >>>>>> board is unwilling to remove Ubiquiti then I will be forced to remove >>>>>> myself and my company from WISPA because this is not what we stand for. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> VERY DISGUSTED, >>>>>> >>>>>> Sean Heskett >>>>>> >>>>>> ZIRKEL Wireless >>>>>> High-Speed Internet for NW Colorado >>>>>> 970-871-8500 x100 - Office >>>>>> 970-846-8065 - mobile >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ******************************************************************************************************* >>>>>> >>>>>> MISSION AND GOALS >>>>>> http://www.wispa.org/About-Us/Mission-and-Goals >>>>>> >>>>>> MISSION STATEMENT: >>>>>> >>>>>> WISPA works to promote the development, advancement and unification >>>>>> of the wireless Internet service provider industry. >>>>>> >>>>>> WISPA GOALS: >>>>>> >>>>>> • Encourage Congress and the FCC to write laws that support the >>>>>> survival and success of community-based wireless Internet service >>>>>> providers >>>>>> (WISPs). >>>>>> • Provide online technical forums that enable and encourage the >>>>>> sharing and exchange of information between all the members of the WISP >>>>>> community. >>>>>> • Demystify government rules and regulations. >>>>>> • Publicize, promote, demonstrate and maintain a Code of Ethical >>>>>> Business Practices. >>>>>> • Promote and support industry-wide communication, coordination and >>>>>> cooperation between local WISP organizations, national WISP >>>>>> organizations, >>>>>> community wireless organizations and wireless industry vendors. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ******************************************************************************************************* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> CODE OF ETHICS >>>>>> https://www.wispa.org/About-Us/Policies/Code-of-Ethics >>>>>> ARTICLE III >>>>>> >>>>>> We will publicize our services in a professional manner upholding the >>>>>> dignity of our profession. We will avoid all conduct, practices and >>>>>> promotion likely to discredit or do injury to our field of endeavor. >>>>>> >>>>>> ARTICLE V >>>>>> >>>>>> In keeping with this dedication to principle, the members of the >>>>>> Association have further pledged to: >>>>>> >>>>>> • Follow through and complete any agreement made verbally or >>>>>> otherwise to either another member of the Association or to any client or >>>>>> prospective client. >>>>>> • Deal fairly with the public and with fellow professionals, giving >>>>>> due respect to the rights and legitimate interests of others. >>>>>> • Respect the rights of the owners of intellectual properties. >>>>>> • Not knowingly disseminate false or misleading information and shall >>>>>> act promptly to correct erroneous communications for which they are >>>>>> responsible. >>>>>> • Use proper diligence to ensure that all materials on their networks >>>>>> are restricted in accordance with applicable laws, regulations and the >>>>>> tenets of reasonable precaution. >>>>>> • Not disparage other members by statement or innuendo to clients or >>>>>> prospective clients. >>>>>> • Respond to any complaint or violations filed with the Association >>>>>> and participate in all processes and procedures of the Association with >>>>>> respect to that complaint. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ******************************************************************************************************* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> By Laws >>>>>> http://www.wispa.org/About-Us/Policies/Bylaws >>>>>> >>>>>> By Laws Article 8 >>>>>> >>>>>> 8.6. Termination of Membership. A Member’s Membership will >>>>>> terminate upon the occurrence of any of the following events: >>>>>> >>>>>> 8.6.1. The Member provides written notice to the Board that >>>>>> the Member is resigning from WISPA; >>>>>> >>>>>> 8.6.2. The Member dissolves or ceases to transact the >>>>>> business that qualified the Member for WISPA Membership; >>>>>> >>>>>> 8.6.3. The Member’s Membership expires, unless the Membership >>>>>> is renewed on terms fixed by the Board; >>>>>> >>>>>> 8.6.4. The Member fails to pay dues, fees or assessments >>>>>> within ten (10) days after they become due and payable pursuant to the >>>>>> decision of the Board; or >>>>>> >>>>>> 8.6.5. The Board terminates the Member’s Membership. >>>>>> >>>>>> 8.7. The Board may terminate the Member’s Membership if the >>>>>> Board finds that a Member has materially breached these Amended Bylaws or >>>>>> any rule of conduct applicable to WISPA Membership or has otherwise >>>>>> engaged >>>>>> in conduct materially prejudicial to the purposes and interests of WISPA. >>>>>> The Board will abide by the following procedures to terminate a Member: >>>>>> >>>>>> 8.7.1. The Secretary will give the Member a notice specifying >>>>>> the Board’s intent to terminate the Member’s Membership fifteen (15) days >>>>>> prior to the proposed date of termination. The notice will explain the >>>>>> reasons for the proposed termination. >>>>>> >>>>>> 8.7.2. The Member may respond to the notice within ten (10) >>>>>> days after the notice is sent. The Member’s response will be in writing >>>>>> or >>>>>> at a meeting of the Board, as the Board may determine. >>>>>> >>>>>> 8.7.3. 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