oh if only I were doing something as exciting as building a tower site in a
glacier on top a big mountain in Utah...!

I just happened across a 'deal' on 4 12v 100aH AGMs (Universal Battery) and
added them to my 'prepper' stash.   (disclaimer:   a real prepper would
call me a beginner or a moron, depending upon my politics).

Having successfully survived this long, I have made it down my list far
enough to "get prepared for more than a few days outage".   I own a
gasoline generator and I've never used it, but, if the sun burps wrong and
we lose 'the grid' forever, "we" will eventually run outta gas.   Either
way, I won't be runnin-and-gunnin' my way to the gas station.   And it
seems awfully damn handy to have at least SOME electricity when the world
has NONE.   It's much too pricey to put the entire house "off grid", but
maybe I could put ... oh ... the freezer and fridge off the grid.   Or
something.   And maybe have an outlet to spare.

Turns out, my 2017 freezer and 2012 fridge together use an average of
74watts according to the KillAWatt gadget (which is in series with grid
power at this time).    It's rather depressing that my 4 batts will power
those two only for a day+ with "no sun".   I own a 100w mono panel and a
cheapo eBay PWM charge controller, but I've been going mental trying to
pick an inverter and charger and it sounds like I need more panels and
possibly the smartest charge controller I can find (probably not MPPT as I
gots no trees nearby).

It would be much less expensive to just go ahead and die, but that just
doesn't seem right.   Living without any electrical power will be quite an
adjustment, but if I can hunt food and store it, cut and burn wood
(electric saw) and collect rainwater (and clean it up)... this computer
nerd might just live long enough to see what comes next.

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On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 3:28 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> No but it can totally shut you out of accessing the system.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Friday, January 4, 2019 1:19 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
>
>
> I find once the battery voltage gets to 10.5 volts or whatever it is where
> the LVD kicks in, it starts dropping pretty fast.  So I don’t think the LVD
> costs you a lot of runtime.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, January 4, 2019 2:02 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
>
>
>
> Not a fan of LVD.  If the site is terribly remote and there are frequent
> outages then an LVD will make your batts last longer.  But  it still sucks
> as a solution.  Buy a generator instead of an LVD.  I have never been glad
> I had an LVD in the sites where I had LVDs.
>
>
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 4, 2019 12:49 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
>
>
>
> Yeah that math checks out.
>
> The devices I have with LVD stop me at 80% depth of discharge though.  I
> also assume that batteries will get weaker over time....I realize they
> might not if they're stored in perfect climate control and never get
> discharged, but I *assume* they do get weaker.  So I build for twice the
> runtime I actually want, knowing I'll actually get the runtime I want even
> if we add another device or the batteries don't age well.
>
> So I would consider that a 26 hour system, and in the back of my head I
> know I'd really get 52 hours out of it at the day of installation.  Some
> people (McCown I think) have advised to put the load directly on the
> batteries or otherwise disable/bypass the LVD function because downtime is
> more expensive than damaging their batteries....and that's a valid
> perspective too.
>
> On 1/4/2019 2:39 PM, justsumname wrote:
>
> I'll hijack this thread for something barely worth a thread.   I just need
> a 'reality check', ... I think.
>
>
>
> So my Kill-a-Watt says 24KwH over 324 hrs.    Does that mean it's showing
> a 74watt device?   Which means what .... 1800-ish watt-hrs per day?
>
> Which means that my 12v-100aH times 4  AGM batteries will power it for
> something like 32 hours stopping at a 50% discharge level?
>
>
>
> Thanks ...that is all.
>
> --
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 12:20 PM CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I thought ya'll broke my email :)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* David Coudron
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2018 6:25 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
>
>
>
> Just waiting for someone to start the next volley 😊
>
>
>
> Happy New Year everyone.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 30, 2018 11:00 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
>
>
>
>
>
> Did everyone find something better to do than post here today? Lol
>
>
>
> Sent from my smartphone
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