It looks like the 450b uses pretty much the same dish as the ePMP Force 200... I wonder why they went with that goofy gland and bolt on cover instead of just doing a snap on cover like on the ePMP.
I agree that the naming is stupid - they're doing the same thing with the ePMP line now, with the Force 300-25 and Force 300-16 being the equivalent of the Force 200 and Force 180. The old way was easier... On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 10:49 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > My complaint is not about the integral dish, but the specific > implementation of the cover and gland. The 450d was not a problem. The > 450b mid gain is not a problem. Naming them both 450b was stupid though. > > > > BTW, note that it’s not really 25 dBi, didn’t they finally fess up and > change the spec sheet to say 23 dBi? > > > > I also quibble with the characterization as “cheapo” and keeping costs > down. Depending on which license key you were buying on the 450 SM, the > cost ends up being about the same as the previous SM plus a reflector > dish. Of course if you are replacing FSK or 430, you already have the > dish, and now you have to remove and replace it rather than taking 2 > minutes to pop in a new SM without even needing to realign. > > > > I’m waiting for the first time we have to replace a 450b high gain due to > something like lightning damage. That would mean removing and replacing > the radome, which BTW is almost impossible in cold weather, I have actually > had to use a heat gun to warm them up so they are flexible enough to go > on. So I assume now we end up replacing the whole dish assembly and > realigning. Not much point trying to save the dish anyway since you have > to buy the SM and dish together. > > > > The other goofy thing is how inconsistent Cambium is. Even the two > variants of 450b are different, and the other frequencies (900, 2.4, 3.65) > are totally different. And of course now when we replace a 450 AP the > replacement is a 450i AP which requires 48V rather than 24V. There really > seems to be no master plan, just flavor of the day. The only consistency > seems to be carry a 13mm wrench and a 5mm hex key with you. Or an electric > screwdriver with a 5mm hex bit, or your hands will get tired. My guys > complain about how long the threads are on the screws for the hated cable > cover. > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Thursday, February 21, 2019 10:04 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b high gain cable gland & cover > > > > To a point I agree. Look at how much nicer a 25dbi dish is over a > reflector+patch radio, though. It keeps costs down (since everyone's doing > the cheapo 25dbi instead of trying to get by without a bare SM). Gain is > good. > > > > Ubnt Nanostation copied the Canopy idea, mostly. They moved to dishes. > Cambium had to "catch up" with the WISP world. > > > > My perspective may be different though - we almost never install bare > Nanostations/Force 180/bare Canopy radios. We've always had to do > reflectors/dishes. > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 10:59 AM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote: > > It drives me crazy that Cambium continually spends more time staring at > what other companies have done and trying to copy them than looking > internally at what made their own products the best in class. > > > > The original Canopy case design was damn near perfect - inverted cup that > didn’t fill with water. Easy to remove and replace. Lots of mounting > options. > > > > And now we have lots of little parts to drop. Reminds me of exactly what > I hated about WiMax gear. > > > > Mark > > > > > > On Feb 21, 2019, at 10:42 AM, Brian Sullivan <installe...@foxvalley.net> > wrote: > > > > I hate it too. Seems like they should have that design for ePMP and > something nicer for 450. =) > What would be nice is a door with a hinge, so there aren't multiple pieces > you can drop and ruin your day. > > On 2/20/2019 9:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Does everyone hate the 450b high gain cover with the cable gland as much > as we do? Not sure why they felt the need to do this on the high gain but > not the mid gain. > > > > I wish somebody (Chuck?) would sell an aftermarket conversion kit to make > it like the mid gain or the original Canopy SM. With a snap on cover, > water kept out by gravity, and readily accessible alignment tool port. > > > > There are other mechanical things I hate about the product, like the screw > in the back that you have to tighten ever so gingerly, and the 4 threaded > inserts that seem to have manufacturing quality issues like getting covered > over with plastic. Or the occasional feedtube that doesn't quite want to > latch into place. Or how much work it is to convert them to mount on the > left side of the pole. But the stupid cover with the cable gland is an > annoyance every single time. > > > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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