Also helps with picking channels that might be congested in the tower but not so on the customer end and vice-versa..
Imagine these 2 features: -Asymmetric channel size configuration -Asymmetric channel freq. configuration AP Tx 40 mhz 5800 Rx 10 mhz 5840 From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Date: Thursday, October 31, 2019 at 2:19 PM To: "af@af.afmug.com" <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit As I thought about it more....I guess if you stick with a TDD duty cycle then you could pick up and down frequencies which would otherwise interfere with each other and it stays in sync with your other TDD equipment. I think I'm on board now. On 10/31/2019 2:06 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote: Different freqs for download vs upload… on tdd.. UBNT LTU has this From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com><mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com><mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com><mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Date: Thursday, October 31, 2019 at 1:58 PM To: "af@af.afmug.com"<mailto:af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com><mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit What is asymmetric channel freq if it's not FDD? On 10/31/2019 1:38 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote: No fdd… CA if posible… From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com><mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com><mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com><mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Date: Thursday, October 31, 2019 at 11:50 AM To: "af@af.afmug.com"<mailto:af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com><mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit So FDD and carrier aggregation? Those are usually high priced features. On 10/31/2019 11:45 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote: and we are at it, @Matt Mangriotis<mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com> consider the following for an extended life of the 450 platform: -Asymmetric channel size configuration -Asymmetric channel freq. configuration -higher modulations (don’t know if HW is capable) -fragmented channel assignment / CA Ex.= 40 mhz total split in 4 10mhz blocks (don’t know if HW is capable) -Omni Medusa and 60/30 deg Medusa -Vivato type PTP certification for Medusa (higher TX power) Gino Villarini Founder/President @gvillarini t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 m: [Image removed by sender. aeronet-logo]<http://www.aeronetpr.com/> [Image removed by sender. inc500]<https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> [Image removed by sender. fb-logo]<https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/> [Image removed by sender. insta-logo]<https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en> [Image removed by sender. in-logo]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp> [Image removed by sender. tw-logo]<https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor> [Image removed by sender. yt-logo]<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Q9WBrAYVm3Fn970Jd6VA> www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com> | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com><mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net><mailto:af...@ics-il.net> Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com><mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Date: Thursday, October 31, 2019 at 10:08 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com><mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit I think a 25 dBi antenna would be a standard customer install. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [Image removed by sender.]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[Image removed by sender.]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[Image removed by sender.]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[Image removed by sender.]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [Image removed by sender.]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[Image removed by sender.]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[Image removed by sender.]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [Image removed by sender.]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[Image removed by sender.] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ________________________________ From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com><mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 9:05:58 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit Yes....give us all the goddamn gain. There must be a vocal market segment that wants small, cute antennas. But, If you want the 32+ SNR for 256QAM then you need gain. Gain beets cuteness for anybody who's done the math. On 10/31/2019 10:02 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: Matt, The original form factor product would be fantastic. It would be even better if you make it so the internal unit antenna is specifically designed to properly illuminate a reflector dish. The original patch antenna matching to a reflector was always something of a kludge that worked but was not optimal. I don’t see any point in designing the unit with a patch antenna intended for short range use as there are other/better products in the lineup to serve that purpose. Having a unit that is optimized for the thousands of KP, Beehive, Cambium reflectors we have in the field would be great. Having a unit with connectors that cleanly mates into a twistport horn adapter would also be a useful tool in the toolbox. If there is anything that Cambium (and every other vendor) has taught us over the years is that you can’t have too much gain and directionality in your client antennas. it’s really the secret to why fixed wireless in unlicensed works so well. The 450b high gain that wasn’t high gain was disappointing. Having the option to cleanly add antenna gain again would be very welcome. Mark On Oct 31, 2019, at 9:31 AM, Matt Mangriotis via AF <af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote: Also, to set the record a straight(er)… The 450b Connectorized is targeted for March release. This will indeed have RP-SMA connectors at the top (similar to 900 MHz SM). The other one that you guys are talking about, I am calling 450b Retro. As Jeff mentions, I am still working up a plan for this device, and don’t have a release date yet. The idea is that it’ll have the latest processing power, the wide band support, fit into the same offset reflectors that are already out there, and be reasonably priced. This would provide an easy upgrade or swap of the older 430 or 450 SMs that are deployed already with those reflector dishes. Matt From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 12:04 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit 450b connectorized had SMA stye connectors on top, did not look like a 900mhz SM, looked more like a RocketM5 On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 12:53 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: Do you remember what the connectorized 450b looked like? SMA connectors on top like the 900 MHz SM? N pigtails out bottom like the old one? Twistport adapter? I realize the pigtails out the bottom were not optimal, but KPP was nice enough to build a dish with a place to mount the SM where the pigtails dressed just perfect. Also putting coax connectors on the top is not optimal from a drip loop perspective and SMA connectors are a pain to waterproof unless you believe in the silicone boots which aren’t conducive to third party or custom length coax jumpers. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 11:39 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit I asked him right after I saw you post about it. Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com<mailto:jbroadw...@cticonnect.com> On Oct 30, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote: Matt told me at Wispalooza show old form factor SM is coming spring 2020. Also at Wispalooza show they had a new SM there that was containerized and triband for like $250'ish !!! On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 12:09 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: I thought someone posted that Matt said the old form factor was coming Q1 2020. Not sure that’s actually different - until I can buy it, it’s pretty much in “we are considering it” phase. Thing is, 5 GHz 450 SMs took a step back with the 450b, we no longer have a connectorized SM or one that we can use with a reflector dish, and many of us have encountered performance problems with the integrated antenna in the 450b high gain. And even if we acquire more of the EOL 450 SMs, they lack the CPU, triband capability, and xmt power of the 450b. Back on topic to the 450i Lite AP, we have some of the old 450 Lite APs. If we haven’t already applied a key to make them into Full APs, I generally prefer to replace them with a 450i AP. It’s just so confusing having a mix of 24V and 48V powering, Canopy Sync and Cambium Sync, plus the 450i has a more capable CPU. So you could look at that as an advantage of the Lite, you can upgrade the HW in the future instead of buying an upgrade key. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:48 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit To be clear, the 5GHz 450b exists. The 3GHz high gain is now slated for 1st qtr2020. I asked CambiumMatt about bringing back the old form factor to use with reflectors. That’s in the “we are considering it” phase. Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com<mailto:jbroadw...@cticonnect.com> On Oct 30, 2019, at 9:53 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: 450b high gain exists now, I think what is supposed to be coming is a connectorized 450b and a 450b in the old form factor that takes a reflector dish. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Tyson Burris Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:07 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit The lite was announced and I believe the 450B high gain sm will be coming out. (actual SM) Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 Daytime # 317-738-0320 Cell/Direct # 317-412-1540 Online: www.surfici.net<https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.surfici.net&data=02%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C2fadbe4142b64891841b08d75d5b39af%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0%7C0%7C637080518710388714&sdata=62yFXyfGbsfwieXeYJvggtVXvHA4XHQyTpXVeKyRj90%3D&reserved=0> <image001.png> What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 4:41 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit To make more money comrade. From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:55 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit I mean. I guess? To me that just shouts of going back to license keys. If I can buy it for X, but I can upgrade it to Y with a license key - that model just never made sense to me. I literally have all he hardware. There’s no additional cost. You’re just artificially crippling the unit. If the hardware can be sold for the price of the LITE and still make a profit, why is the key needed to unlock features? On Oct 29, 2019, at 11:00 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote: Don't know how I missed this at Wispalooza, just seen on streakwave's website there is a new 450i AP out with a 20sm limit called LITE and can be upgraded to full capacity with a key upgrade. Cambium C050045AL02B 5 GHz PMP 450i Connectorized AP FCC LITE PMP 450i Connectorized Access Point LITE The LITE version will function exactly as the existing PMP 450i AP but it will be restricted to having 20 subscribers connected. A key can be purchased to remove this restriction. https://streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=C050045AL02B&eq=&Tp=&o1=0<https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstreakwave.com%2Fitemdesc.asp%3Fic%3DC050045AL02B%26eq%3D%26Tp%3D%26o1%3D0&data=02%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C2fadbe4142b64891841b08d75d5b39af%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0%7C0%7C637080518710398706&sdata=F40iKZdQsr9%2Ba4QziE5Idt5ztpuhz5jwl28QTRA%2FWHE%3D&reserved=0> I can see myself using alot of these! Glad it has a 20 SM limit instead of 10. And there is an integrated 90 degree sector version too. AWESOME -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com<https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faf.afmug.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Faf_af.afmug.com&data=02%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C2fadbe4142b64891841b08d75d5b39af%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0%7C0%7C637080518710398706&sdata=GDy18LrteeZUSp%2FtZPlGqX7kbghCHW7o2%2BNy%2BYUO48Y%3D&reserved=0> ________________________________ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com<https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faf.afmug.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Faf_af.afmug.com&data=02%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C2fadbe4142b64891841b08d75d5b39af%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0%7C0%7C637080518710408700&sdata=1WpqqqCcY3W%2BqF9UPkHN0hzxTPGhZ5%2B0N72EqUPdn0c%3D&reserved=0> -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com<https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faf.afmug.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Faf_af.afmug.com&data=02%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C2fadbe4142b64891841b08d75d5b39af%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0%7C0%7C637080518710408700&sdata=1WpqqqCcY3W%2BqF9UPkHN0hzxTPGhZ5%2B0N72EqUPdn0c%3D&reserved=0> -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com<https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faf.afmug.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Faf_af.afmug.com&data=02%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C2fadbe4142b64891841b08d75d5b39af%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0%7C0%7C637080518710418693&sdata=vtMIiaJxbaKOyeyeafRfgPJB%2Fp4VRmuzZfVq4wpwMLc%3D&reserved=0> -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com<https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faf.afmug.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Faf_af.afmug.com&data=02%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C2fadbe4142b64891841b08d75d5b39af%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0%7C0%7C637080518710418693&sdata=vtMIiaJxbaKOyeyeafRfgPJB%2Fp4VRmuzZfVq4wpwMLc%3D&reserved=0> -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com<https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faf.afmug.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Faf_af.afmug.com&data=02%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C2fadbe4142b64891841b08d75d5b39af%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0%7C0%7C637080518710428692&sdata=20TtQ6h%2FsAxsrTkYYWpp4w0usWIRw8M6wReeED%2FdLI8%3D&reserved=0> -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com<http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com<http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com>
-- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
