Live presenters, having definitive answers to caveat questions in real time. People in the room that are answering questions are probably on first name basis with people from winnforum.
I'm not sure how limited the icd folks are with their NDAs but I hope they can soon speak to the installation and alignment issue. With predeployment via cnmaestro I dont see it being a major issue, the biggest thing would be if you know the candidate install can see 2 or 3 base stations, you have to Dr some pretty good path profiling to pick one, it sounds like you won't be able to have multiple grants for the same cpe, you may need to test with 3 cpes in that case, pita, but no different than testing multiple systems. April is going to be crazy when people start realizing that the cowboy up mentality just won't work. No matter how much they don't like it. I foresee a bump of equipment on the used gear market in May and June as folks get mad and walk away from the band. And when SAS 2.0 comes out and the 4x20mhz full EIRP sectors don't have 80mhz anymore note full EIRP, I see some chapters of bankruptcy for some operators. And some more people walking away. Those of us that stay in and follow the rules from the get go will actually be able to increase our service quality and reliability. (I sure hope that's what happens since I'm dropping the bosses coin like it's hot). It's going to be a madhouse between 1 and 2 also I think because there will need to be some on the fly modifications from winnforum/FCC as the issues of scale not present in icd will surface. Then the investors drop the PAL bombs. On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 8:52 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > Well, the WISPs like Amplex that did ICD are several steps ahead of the > rest of us. But they probably have some bruises to show for it. > > > > I went through the first module of the Cambium online course. It’s OK, > not great, either it’s not the same as what you took, or the live presenter > adds a lot. Or perhaps you were seduced by the sandwiches. > > > > If some equipment can’t transmit until the day after installation, how the > heck do they align and test it? I guess you could do alignment in receive > only mode, but that would be a big change in philosophy to pack up and > leave the install without verifying that it works. > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Thursday, January 30, 2020 7:08 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC certified SAS providers > > > > The SAS is the winnforum database, as I understand it the administrators > just input the data, SAS does the math and does the grants, not the > administrators. Market will be extras like predictions, real time CBRS > propagation mapping and visibility. Path profiling. Cambium does them > virtual cbsd so you can predeploy and not delay installs 24 hours waiting > on a grant. That's not really an administrator feature as it is your pseudo > epc. > > From the sounds of it, the sas administrators are just there so winnforum > doesn't have to deal with every yokel and his cousin Pauly spitting garbage > data into their database. > > Grant times are key, because it's not like now where you go on site and > install after testing around. You have to wait til the SAS sync at night (I > forget the process name) to get your grant. So the cbsd doesn't actually go > active until then. That's where your predeploy through cnmaestro beats > everybody. You can put in loose data, then that night around 1130 you ask > for a new grant with your more accurate cpi data, the customer goes offline > until the grant is authorized. > > Surprisingly this process is really clearly defined in the cambium class, > the CPI training just glosses over it. > > Maybe somebody with some cambium pull could get Matt to go over the > amazing slide deck in a webinar, maybe talk nice and get the 450 lady to > sit in. > > I can almost bet that when it goes live, cambium operators who sat in will > be 100 times more prepared for the ins and outs. It will still be a > cluster, but positioning is better. > > > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 6:49 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > I’ve got requests into a couple of the SAS choices asking why are you the > best choice. The “choose wisely” thing puts some pressure on. Also makes > you think about what happens if there’s a shakeout. With 4 now and more in > the pipeline, it’s possible some of the spaghetti won’t stick to the wall. > > > > Are there differences on things like frequency reuse between your own > sectors and even other friendly WISPs based on the way we have > traditionally done frequency planning on Cambium stuff with GPS sync? What > about requesting and granting channels larger than 10 MHz (20, 30, 40 … > well at least 20)? Are they pretty much the same on that, or do they > differentiate themselves? > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Thursday, January 30, 2020 5:40 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC certified SAS providers > > > > Cambium does it all for you. you turn up CBRS in Cnmaestro, then > select the SAS administrator. You get 1 bill, then they pay the > administrator. You still get an account to interact directly with the > administrator. They very much stress to choose wisely upfront, changing > administrators mid stream can be a nightmare they said, all of your grants > have to be revoked and redone. > > It was brought up using this sas administrator account for non cambium, > but that may cause weird billing issues, so dealing directly with the > administrator would probably be best on that. > > It may be worth turning up cnmaestro, requesting CBRS and picking the > vendor to get the account set up correctly anyway. > > One thing they did say too is that delinquencies are a manual process, so > if you have some weird billing thing, your SAS account wont be suspended > (assuming cambium pays the bill). But the point is you wont wake up one > morning to a dead network because cambium lost an ippay token > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 5:10 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > Specifically for Cambium and cnMaestro as a Domain Proxy, I’m still a > little unclear if we first establish an account with one of the SAS > vendors. Or just select one as part of switching cnMaestro cloud to CBRS > mode. Cambium collects the money from us and pays the SAS vendor, so I’m > assuming any discussion here about $5K upfront payments doesn’t apply. Not > sure about NDA. I haven’t come across anything in the Cambium instructions > or online training yet that say to sign up with Federated, Comsearch or > Google first. > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Thursday, January 30, 2020 4:39 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC certified SAS providers > > > > I deal with Ernie Gibson egibson at comsearch dot com He is all about > getting you info and in the right email chain. They have so many cost > effective services for our industry. Theyre also working up some CBRS > planning that seems like it will be beneficial, especially if you are > thinking you might want to bid on PALs. they have the biggest GIS (please > make them a meme about that) > > > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:30 PM Eric Nielsen <ericlniel...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > I can’t speak for the other SAS providers, but I can definitely affirm > that CommScope is working directly with licensees. > > If you’d like to discuss further feel free to contact me or any of the > reps here at Comsearch/CommScope. > > Eric dot Nielsen at CommScope dot com > > > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:56 PM Eric Muehleisen <ericm...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Federated will ask for an NDA then eventually tell you that they will only > work with equipment manufacturers or if you have a pile of mobile > subscribers. These SAS providers are really only interested in dealing > directly with manufacturers. > > > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:02 PM Matt Hoppes < > mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > > Has anyone actually gotten signed up? Google has a very long drawn out > procedure and a $5k deposit requirement. No one from Commscope will > contact me..... working on Federated now. > > On 1/27/20 3:01 PM, Eric Nielsen wrote: > > The FCC just certified the first round of SAS providers - CommScope, > > Federated, Google and Sony. > > https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-20-110A1.pdf > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > > Eric Nielsen > 571-508-7409 > ericlniel...@gmail.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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