I'm currently in the overreaction camp. I found this article quite illuminating about flu in Connecticut:
https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/State-Nine-new-flu-deaths-total-at-58-for-season-15089946.php "10,286 people have tested positive for the flu this season" (in CT) "2,230 people in Connecticut has been hospitalized due to flu this season" "The latest group of flu-associated deaths brings the total of deaths this season to 58" (in CT) That's a higher hospitalization rate than I was expecting. We've had flu going around killing "at-risk" folks and other unlucky healthy people for quite a while so no one really pays that much attention to it unless you are at risk. I'd even wager that once a vaccine is available next year after this mania passes, less than half of folks will bother to get it (similar to flu vaccine). I do feel like the coverage is a bit over the top. As someone else mentioned earlier, it is like when a hurricane is coming and you are in the 1000 mile cone of uncertainty - it's all the news folks talk about and the only time anyone watches the weather channel. ;-). We humans love us some drama! Just do what you would do to avoid the flu and you'll probably be OK. On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:27 PM Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > I never complained about what China did. I said it’s a bit extreme for > the flu, don’t you think? > > I don’t think this is “just the flu, bro”. > > > On Mar 2, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Matt, I honestly am unsure where you really stand. It seems like you > complain about a Draconian response in China while advocating one here. I > don't get it. > > > > > >> On 3/2/2020 11:26 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: > >> Agreed. > >> > >> We should have shut down our borders 3 months ago when this first broke > out in China... immediately. No in or outbound travel of any sort. > >> > >> Instead, we continued to allow folks to come and go as they pleased... > finally shutting down travel to China, but continuing to allow travel to > our nations, that are now infected. > >> > >> How stupid are we to think that blocking travel to just China would fix > the issue? That folks in China wouldn't contaminate folks in other > countries who would then be the route to the US? > >> > >> We need to immediately quarantine every state, if not town in the US, > and hold that quarantine for 60-90 days. No coming or going from the > town. Work from home. > >> > >> Yes, maybe it's "no bad yet", but why do we need to wait for it to get > bad before we do something? > >> > >> Here in the US we continually shut the barn door after the horse has > gone through. Often we shut a door specific for a kind of horse after that > horse has gone through, allowing other horses to continue to get through. > >> > >> > >> > >>> On 3/2/20 11:20 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > >>> ....or we could advocate calm and rational responses instead of all > that stuff. > >>> > >>>> On 3/2/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > >>>> The problem is the existing plague plans are being shut down by > localities refusing to let them utilize spaces as was the design. Any place > that refuses should never be allotted a single penny of federal funding for > anything. > >>>> they have what, like 10k beds in the CDC quarantines. > >>>> There is no viable solution for a major outbreak in a city like > chicago beyond patriots putting a fireline around the city and shooting > anybody who tries to exit. Is what it is. Hopefully of it gets boogity, > every town closes their highway off-ramps. If the media has their way with > getting the hype up, the spread will be crazy from people fanning out > rather than seeking care. > >>>> Thermal scopes on AR-15s are probably going to be a thing soon > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com <mailto: > af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Maybe they can send it to us. Today for the first time I heard > >>>> the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was > >>>> saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same > >>>> way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that > >>>> there’s not much surge capacity. Let’s hope somebody’s looking at > >>>> ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen. > The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly > >>>> creating a field hospital. Reminds me of MASH. Time for a bug > out! > >>>> > >>>> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the > >>>> first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A > >>>> hurricane is worse because it closes down hospitals and > >>>> pharmacies, eliminating capacity. With the coronavirus what I > >>>> suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the hospital > >>>> staff and first responders so they get quarantined. This appears > >>>> to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington. > 25 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they > >>>> had been to that facility. > >>>> > >>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com > >>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones > >>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM > >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com > >>>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu > >>>> > >>>> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont > >>>> have enough patients > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com > >>>> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die > >>>> from COVID-19 before eating an old baguette! > >>>> > >>>> If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and > >>>> hasten the end. > >>>> > >>>> bp > >>>> > >>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food > >>>> for tonight’s dinner. Because who wants to eat 2 hour old > >>>> baguettes. Probably the only thing in their pantry is > >>>> cigarettes and wine. But at least if these are the end > >>>> times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the > >>>> end. Who cares about Spam and Vienna sausages. > >>>> > >>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > >>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Adam > Moffett > >>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM > >>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu > >>>> > >>>> You need the disaster to occur to justify all your > >>>> preparation. Some part of you is rooting for it. > >>>> > >>>> Just a hypothesis. > >>>> > >>>> On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > >>>> > >>>> i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the > >>>> most prepared. most of the die hard preppers are right > >>>> minded. we tend to be the most capable of utilizing > >>>> primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes > >>>> boogity, we have the best firepower and ammunition and > >>>> training. so i never understood why people on the > >>>> right get very nervous about these things. a lot like > >>>> devout christians worying about end times and rapture. > >>>> > >>>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown > >>>> <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> My oldest home - again son is much worse than you > >>>> guys. He is very alt right too. He might be Alex > >>>> Jones... I have never seen them both at the same > >>>> place at the same time. He is certain Kung flu is > >>>> gonna get us all. > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>> On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka > >>>> Technologies <m...@mailmt.com > >>>> <mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> On a side note. Thanks for letting me rant > >>>> and rave here. Can't do it at home, wife just > >>>> rolls eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man. > >>>> Chuck, I know you are saving me a few $ in > >>>> therapy. So, Thank You. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Best regards, > >>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com > >>>> > >>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. > >>>> www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com> > >>>> > >>>> ------ > >>>> > >>>> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s > >>>> from Washington Post after all), but sounds > >>>> kind of science-y. > >>>> > >>>> The novel coronavirus has probably been > >>>> spreading undetected for about six weeks in > >>>> Washington state, where the first U.S. death > >>>> was reported this weekend. A genetic analysis > >>>> suggests that the cases are linked through > >>>> community transmission and that this has been > >>>> going on for weeks, with hundreds of > >>>> infections likely in the state. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com > >>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf > >>>> Of *Ken Hohhof > >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 6:21 PM > >>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > >>>> <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu > >>>> > >>>> Must be a Florida thing, or a Walmart thing. > I have not seen news reports anything close to > >>>> “we are all going to die”. > >>>> > >>>> And I just stopped at the grocery store, no > >>>> signs at all of people buying up all the Lysol > >>>> and Purell. I did buy a couple of the pump > >>>> bottles of foaming hand soap we like, but the > >>>> shelf was full. News reports have said wash > >>>> your hands and that it’s good advice for > >>>> seasonal flu as well, I don’t think that’s > >>>> doomsday advice. > >>>> > >>>> I have not checked Walmart, maybe things are > >>>> all crazy there (as usual). Actually I have > >>>> to admit that I recently discovered the steaks > >>>> from Walmart are actually pretty good, they > >>>> were branded Tyson Fresh Meats. > >>>> > >>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com > >>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf > >>>> Of *Mark - Myakka Technologies > >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 5:53 PM > >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > >>>> <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu > >>>> > >>>> There are only a few things we know for sure. > >>>> > >>>> 1. It is already in the US > >>>> 2. More people in the US will get it > >>>> 3. More people in the US will die. > >>>> > >>>> Anything other than this is pure speculation > >>>> at this point. We don't know anything about > >>>> this virus. Most everything I hear or read > >>>> about this virus starts off with the > >>>> equivalent of "WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE". But > >>>> if you bother to listen or read the article, > >>>> it always has "may" or "some experts". The > >>>> current official incubation period is 2-14 > >>>> days, but hey lets just report 14 days and > >>>> base all our models on this and report it as > >>>> the most likely scenario. We don't know how > >>>> long it lives on surfaces. We don't know how > >>>> it reacts to UV light. We don't know how it > >>>> will do in warm/humid conditions. > >>>> > >>>> My opinion (just as valid as anyone else's), > >>>> This virus has been in the states before the > >>>> first reported case. People have had it and > >>>> recovered thinking it was just the flu. Not > >>>> everyone exposed is going to get it. Not > >>>> everyone who gets it is going to need to be > >>>> hospitalized. Not everyone who gets > >>>> hospitalized will die. > >>>> > >>>> The media once again is doing us a huge > >>>> dis-service. They are hyping this thing way > >>>> out of proportion. Was at Wal-mart yesterday. > >>>> Every can of Lysol or Lysol type of product > >>>> was gone. Every package of disinfectant wipes > >>>> were gone. Every bottle of any sized hand > >>>> sanitizer, gone. Crazy. The closest reported > >>>> "maybe" case is over 1300 miles away. God > >>>> forbid we get a reported case in Florida, what > >>>> will happen then? Going to start burning and > >>>> looting? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Best regards, > >>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com > >>>> > >>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. > >>>> www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com> > >>>> > >>>> ------ > >>>> > >>>> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 3:55:47 PM, you wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I am not a doctor. I don't even play one on TV > >>>> or any podcasts or blogs. I do pay attention > >>>> to as much scientifically-based information I > >>>> can find though. > >>>> This is a pretty good synopsis on our current > >>>> knowledge without any spin: > >>>> > https://www.sciencenews.org/article/what-new-phase-coronavirus-outbreak-united-states-means-you > >>>> > >>>> bp > >>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > >>>> > >>>> On 2/10/2020 8:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Nazis are socialists. Bernie is a socialist. > >>>> Therefore Bernie is a Nazi. So the Internet > says. > >>>> > >>>> *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > >>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf > Of > >>>> *Steve Jones > >>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2020 10:48 AM > >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > >>>> <af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT > >>>> stock) > >>>> > >>>> thats the secret, remember russia shafted the > >>>> nazis last time... russia is in asia, so > >>>> russians are asians. Taking them out of the > >>>> running too.... Weve said too much > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:45 AM Adam Moffett > >>>> <dmmoff...@gmail.com > >>>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Nazis also hate Communists. It all fits. > >>>> > >>>> On 2/10/2020 11:41 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Im suprised that hasnt gotten traction. This > >>>> is obviously genetically designed to target > >>>> Asians. The proof is that 99% of infections > >>>> are asians. Obviously this is the resurgence > >>>> of the Nazi party trying to eliminate a > >>>> majority of the population so they can > >>>> initiate another run at global domination. My > >>>> neighbors mom, Karen told me that her friend, > >>>> carols husband Brad told her that he heard > >>>> that this is what brexit was all about. > >>>> Germany and Great Britian are forming an > >>>> alliance now. Its all hush hush, but there is > >>>> a shadow government of guess what... Nazis. > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:33 AM Adam Moffett > >>>> <dmmoff...@gmail.com > >>>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> You mean.....Nazi's created Coronavirus? > >>>> > >>>> On 2/10/2020 11:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote: > >>>> > I'm waiting for Godwin... > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > bp > >>>> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > >>>> > > >>>> > On 2/10/2020 8:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > >>>> >> The thing driving me nuts right now is that > >>>> literally everything is a > >>>> >> "conspiracy". > >>>> >> > >>>> >> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on > >>>> purpose, and nobody has the > >>>> >> whole picture of what happened until more > >>>> time passes. In the interim > >>>> >> there's a lot of conflicting information > >>>> going around. People latch > >>>> >> onto early bits of information that turn > >>>> out to be wrong and they > >>>> >> won't let go of them. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to > >>>> distract press from Hong Kong > >>>> >> > >>>> >> Coronavirus was created by the USA to > >>>> defeat China in a trade war > >>>> >> > >>>> >> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to > >>>> discredit Mexican Lager (I > >>>> >> mean that one's obviously a > joke.....right?) > >>>> >> > >>>> >> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must > >>>> all stock our survival bunkers. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> China is hiding all the information about > >>>> Coronavirus. Really? Or > >>>> >> maybe they just don't have a live real-time > >>>> omniscient feed of all > >>>> >> information so they're reporting what they > >>>> think is true at the time > >>>> >> it's said, or maybe rumors on Facebook > >>>> aren't all true. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote: > >>>> >>> Starting a new thread to make this > >>>> discussion off topic. > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here. > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> Still zero reported deaths in the US, and > >>>> only about a dozen actual > >>>> >>> infections. I am still thinking this is > >>>> not a big deal. 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