But seemingly, if everyone’s lying, won’t the FCC/etc. come down hard in 
response? Example A: 477’s, where many I’ve seen have a fabrication factor, 
sometimes a very high one.

> On Apr 6, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I've seen a number of grant funding proposals based on 25M and 100M speeds.
> 
> In general what they do is lie.  Or they're wrong.  
> 
> First you use the capacity planning tool provided the manufacturer and 
> remember that you can populate the values however you want to.  Your 
> prediction doesn't have to be perfectly correct, it just has to be defensible 
> if you're questioned about it.
> 
> Also use an 8:1 oversubscription ratio and in your narrative claim that this 
> is "conservative".  It was a conservative value in the pre-Netflix world so 
> this is another one where they might truly believe it, or they could be lying.
> 
> You can also play games with coverage maps.  What's the minimum MCS to get a 
> subscriber at 25meg?  Use that signal level to predict coverage.  Most of us 
> will realize that at that signal you can only have ONE person at 25meg, but 
> using that figure makes it a hell of a lot easier to show coverage in the 
> entire funding area.
> 
> Whether this is actually a lie, or whether they truly believe this stuff is 
> not always obvious to me.  Some of them I'm certain think it's true, and I 
> think it's a case where their engineering was informed by the equipment sales 
> channel.  Others I think are just full of crap, but they know what they can 
> get away with.
> 
> I'm not advocating any of these "design choices", but I'm telling you these 
> are things people often do to make their grant funding applications look 
> defensibly acceptable.  In some cases I do believe the applicant is simply 
> wrong.  They're an administrator or a business person and they're just asking 
> the wrong questions.  Some of them could be liars, but you'll note that each 
> of these lies leaves the person with the ability to point their finger at 
> someone else and say "well that guy told me this equipment could do that."
> 
> In the case of NY State, they had an independent engineering firm review the 
> proposals for their technical plausibility and apparently those guys would 
> look at these applications and not see any problem.  I didn't quite figure 
> out why that was.....but I have some guesses.
> 
> My info comes from participating in application processes and talking to 
> other applicants about what they're doing.
> 
> -Adam
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/6/2020 2:27 PM, Dev wrote:
>> So if I understand we’ll have to provide 25/3 to ALL locations that receive 
>> RDOF funding? If so, how would that happen without the 6GHz that isn’t out 
>> yet and won’t be by the time this round funds?
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