+1 for the bloody caesar. I was skeptical at first but it really is better than a bloody mary.
On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 5:28 PM Ryan Ray <ryan...@gmail.com> wrote: > You guys never had a Caesar before? > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesar_(cocktail) > > It's a delicious Canadian concoction. The clam juice makes all the > difference compared to tomato juice. > > Yum. Wish I had one right now. > > > On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 3:17 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > >> Apparently Clamato uses dried clam juice, as well as high fructose corn >> syrup and MSG, and reconstituted tomato juice. But I found that on a >> source that has been called into question earlier today, so it’s probably >> fake news. I’m sure Clamato uses only the freshest and highest quality >> ingredients. Still won’t catch me drinking it. >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 6, 2020 5:12 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Clamato vs Snappy Tom was: Is this good? >> >> >> >> It could be their "seed milk" also >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 4:58 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Clam juice has got to be clam urine. >> >> >> >> bp >> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> >> >> On 5/6/2020 2:15 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> I can’t stand V8 any temperature. Maybe it needs vodka and tabasco. I >> can’t think why anything needs clam juice, whatever that is. >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On >> Behalf Of *Bill Prince >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 6, 2020 4:04 PM >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Clamato vs Snappy Tom was: Is this good? >> >> >> >> I like V8 any temperature. It's especially good with vodka and Tabasco. >> >> >> >> bp >> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> >> >> On 5/6/2020 1:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >> >> It doesn’t taste like clams. I told my wife about a week ago it has clam >> juice in it that is why it has that name. She did not believe me until she >> read the label. I like it. I like room temp V8 too. >> >> >> >> *From:* James Howard >> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 6, 2020 2:49 PM >> >> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? >> >> >> >> I don’t like clams except in chowder. >> >> >> >> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] *On >> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 6, 2020 3:41 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? >> >> >> >> Clamato is good but Snappy Tom is better. >> >> >> >> *From:* Steve Jones >> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 6, 2020 2:39 PM >> >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? >> >> >> >> rural hospitals transfer all serious patients to urban hospitals thats >> how the emergency/long term care is structured >> >> >> >> I heard that clamato is good, but ive never tried it. im not big on those >> sandwich on top one, either drink or eat, that the way i look at it >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 3:35 PM Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> >> wrote: >> >> The Future: Rural hospitals are going to be overloaded. I just can't >> see any way around that. >> >> >> >> Also, UI earnings should be coming out soon. Might see some nice squeeze >> action. I'm looking for a squeeze to 250. Looks like someone, I'd guess >> UBNT, was buying up everything under ~135 through the first Covid crash. >> Unless that was smart shorts covering the float is getting thin. >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 3:21 PM James Howard <ja...@litewire.net> wrote: >> >> I also will observe Lent on this line of discussion but do want to point >> out that the antibody test is those who have theoretically already had it. >> Was it an antibody test in that you SF that you quoted 2% for below? If >> so, that is a different story. Yes, I agree that the 3k tested leaves a >> margin of error but 20% of the overall tests done throughout NYC would >> indicate LOTS of people who’ve already had it. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] *On >> Behalf Of *Robert Andrews >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 6, 2020 3:12 PM >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? >> >> >> >> I will abate from any other discussion of this, but I do need to point >> out that there is _evidence_ of what I quoted. NOT munged numbers put >> forth to further an agenda. >> >> >> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/nyregion/coronavirus-antibodies-test-ny.html >> >> Yes Antibody tests on 3 thousand people are subject to the errors of the >> antibody tests. I argued exactly that against the testing done by the >> Stanford group. But at least this was supposed to be a random cross >> section of people. >> >> On 05/06/2020 12:33 PM, James Howard wrote: >> > I’ve read all your posts. You have consistently ignored things that >> > don’t fit with what you believe. >> > >> > NYC was testing NOBODY except suspected cases who either had symptoms >> or >> > had been in direct contact with confirmed cases. >> > >> > Only 20% of the SUSPECTED cases were coming back positive. This is NOT >> > 20% of the population. It’s 20% of the people tested who they thought >> > actually had it. >> > >> > You ridicule Dr. Erickson for using the NYC percentage but if you >> > actually listened to what he said, he said that even with the >> percentage >> > a lot higher because they only tested suspected cases, the overall >> > numbers if you use those high percentages will not result in the huge >> > overall totals that they were predicting and using as basis for the >> > policies in place. >> > >> > Yes there are segments of the population that are at much higher risk. >> > People are asking that the people at higher risk be sheltered rather >> > than everyone. That makes them evil people? >> > >> > Chuck. I honestly think it might be time for Ash Wednesday to be >> > invoked on at least this line of discussion……… we need 40 days >> > >> > *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] >> *On Behalf Of *Robert Andrews >> > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 6, 2020 2:24 PM >> > *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? >> > >> > I also think it's important to realize where we are in this whole mess. >> > They just tested, extensively, an area in the Mission district in SF and >> > released the data yesterday. 2% infection rate mostly in the Latinix >> > population. To understand what goes on with this you need to >> > understand that testing in NYC is returning 20% infection rates. SIP >> > is keeping the rates low and getting us time. When we start seeing >> > other locations going to 20% rapidly like in NYC we will see similar >> > results and refrigerated trucks for the bodies. I don't want it but I >> > think we might be in for some rough road ahead... Utah excepted... >> > >> > On 05/06/2020 11:12 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >> > > I read an interesting blog post the other day about flu death >> estimates >> > > from the CDC. The CDC estimates from 12,000 - 60,000 flu deaths >> > > annually. And yeah that's in the same ballpark with auto accidents. >> > > But then consider that Including people I know and people within a >> > > degree or two of me, I can easily think of a dozen people who died in >> > > car accidents. I know zero people who died of the flu. >> > > >> > > The piece I was reading was regarding how many confirmed flu deaths >> > > doctors actually see and typically they say "I remember one case a few >> > > years ago" or similar. If there were truly 12,000 to 60,000 flu deaths >> > > every year, then doctors in hospitals would see likely see several >> every >> > > year. Apparently the CDC estimates flu deaths, and assumes that a >> > > certain percentage of other causes of death were actually caused by >> the >> > > flu, including pneumonia, congestive heart failure, or chronic >> > > obstructive pulmonary disease. You can read this on the CDC's FAQ >> about >> > > flu: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/faq.htm. >> > > >> > > The blogger then speculated that they might err on the high side for >> flu >> > > deaths because they want people to take it seriously and get >> > > vaccinated. I couldn't say if that's true. After reading it, it does >> > > seem pretty obvious that for whatever reason they've been overcounting >> > > flu deaths. If they weren't then we would all be statistically very >> > > likely to know of several people who died of the flu. >> > > >> > > In any case we don't /really/ know how many people die of the flu >> > > either. But we do know, as Ken alludes, we don't typically fill refer >> > > trucks with flu victims for lack of a place to put the bodies. Even if >> > > we can't agree on specific numerical details, we can directly observe >> > > that something abnormal /and not flu like/ is happening. >> > > >> > > >> > > On 5/6/2020 1:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> > >> >> > >> AIER is not a neutral source, according to Wikipedia it is devoted to >> > >> educating Americans on “the value of personal freedom, free >> > >> enterprise, property rights, limited government and sound money”. >> > >> Sounds like a libertarian think tank. I don’t pay much attention to >> > >> “think tanks”. That seems to be a synonym for partisan advocacy group >> > >> funded by rich donors, and a place for ex government officials to >> park >> > >> when their party is out of power. >> > >> >> > >> Wikipedia says the CDC estimated that flu killed LESS THAN 100,000 >> > >> Americans, and that was over 2 years. >> > >> >> > >> I was in college in 1968/1969. I did not go to Woodstock, take drugs, >> > >> or roll around in the mud. No comment on music and sex. I don’t >> > >> remember particularly high death rates at the time, certainly they >> > >> didn’t run out of places to stack the bodies. >> > >> >> > >> *From:*AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com%3e >> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com%3e%20%0b>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com%3e%3e >> *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney >> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%20*On%20Behalf%20Of%20*Steven%20Kenney%0b>> >> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:04 PM >> > >> *To:* af <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e >> <af@af.afmug.com%3e%20%3cmailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%0b>> >> *Subject:* >> Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? >> > >> >> > >> Woodstock happened in the middle of a pandemic. Whats the difference >> > now? >> > >> >> > >> t was the summer of love: in 1969 a half a million people gathered >> > >> together to listen to music, take drugs, have sex, roll around in the >> > >> mud, and share a densely populated area for one long weekend. >> > >> And guess what? The whole thing happened during a health pandemic. In >> > >> 1968 the H3N2 pandemic came to the US from Hong Kong. *It killed more >> > >> than 100,000 Americans, mostly over the age of 65, which was more >> > >> combined fatalities than both the Vietnam and Korean Wars.* >> > >> <https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1968-pandemic.html> >> > <https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1968-pandemic.html%3e> >> <https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1968-pandemic.html%3e%3e> >> Schools, >> > >> movie theaters, bars, tattoo parlors, restaurants, and, of course, >> > >> concerts venues stayed open. The stock market didn’t crash, Congress >> > >> didn’t issue a lock down order, the Federal reserve had no >> > >> involvement, there was no spike in the suicide rate, violent >> criminals >> > >> weren’t freed from jail, and nobody arrested surfers or hair >> stylists. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> https://www.aier.org/article/woodstock-occurred-in-the-middle-of-a-pandemic/ >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> -- >> > >> Steven Kenney >> > >> Network Operations Manager >> > >> WaveDirect Telecommunications >> > >> http://www.wavedirect.net >> > >> (519)737-WAVE (9283) >> > >> >> > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> >> > >> *From: *"Steven Kenney" <st...@wavedirect.org >> <st...@wavedirect.org%20%0b>> <mailto:st...@wavedirect.org%3e >> <st...@wavedirect.org%3e%0b>> >> <mailto:st...@wavedirect.org%3e%3e >> <mailto:st...@wavedirect.org%3e%3e%3e >> <st...@wavedirect.org%3e%3e%20%3cmailto:st...@wavedirect.org%3e%3e%3e%0b>> >> >> *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e >> <af@af.afmug.com%20%3cmailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%20%0b>> >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%3e >> <af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%20%3cmailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%3e%0b>> >> >> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:28:04 PM >> > >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? >> > >> >> > >> Swiss Doctor the FACTS about Covid19 >> > >> >> > >> https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/ >> > >> >> > >> Fact #1 is disturbing already. >> > >> >> > >> According to data from the best-studied countries and regions, the >> > >> lethality of Covid19 is on average about 0.20% >> > >> >> > < >> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zC3kW1sMu0sjnT_vP1sh4zL0tF6fIHbA6fcG5RQdqSc/> >> > < >> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zC3kW1sMu0sjnT_vP1sh4zL0tF6fIHbA6fcG5RQdqSc/%3e> >> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zC3kW1sMu0sjnT_vP1sh4zL0tF6fIHbA6fcG5RQdqSc/%3e%3e>, >> >> > >> > >> which is in the range of a severe influenza >> > >> <https://www.ebm-netzwerk.de/en/publications/covid-19> >> > <https://www.ebm-netzwerk.de/en/publications/covid-19%3e> >> <https://www.ebm-netzwerk.de/en/publications/covid-19%3e%3e> (flu) and >> about >> > >> twenty times lower than originally assumed >> > >> >> > < >> https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-death-rate-by-age-countries-2020-3> >> > < >> https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-death-rate-by-age-countries-2020-3%3e> >> <https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-death-rate-by-age-countries-2020-3%3e%3e> >> > by >> > >> the WHO. >> > >> >> > >> -- >> > >> Steven Kenney >> > >> Network Operations Manager >> > >> WaveDirect Telecommunications >> > >> http://www.wavedirect.net >> > >> (519)737-WAVE (9283) >> > >> >> > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> >> > >> *From: *"Steven Kenney" <st...@wavedirect.org >> <st...@wavedirect.org%20%0b>> <mailto:st...@wavedirect.org%3e >> <st...@wavedirect.org%3e%0b>> >> <mailto:st...@wavedirect.org%3e%3e >> <mailto:st...@wavedirect.org%3e%3e%3e >> <st...@wavedirect.org%3e%3e%20%3cmailto:st...@wavedirect.org%3e%3e%3e%0b>> >> >> *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e >> <af@af.afmug.com%20%3cmailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%20%0b>> >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%3e >> <af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%20%3cmailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%3e%0b>> >> >> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:12:52 PM >> > >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? >> > >> >> > >> More interesting reading. >> > >> >> > >> Here is an interesting site I've been following that shows the >> > >> mutations, and branches of mutations and their genomes. >> > >> >> > >> https://nextstrain.org/ncov >> > >> >> > >> Lets take all the figures into proportion. Is this worse than >> > >> previous bad years? >> > >> >> > >> http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/ >> > >> >> > >> Are shutdowns really having any tangible effect? Several medical >> > >> papers have been submitted, here is just one. >> > >> >> > >> https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.24.20078717v1 >> > >> >> > >> *"**Full lockdown policies in Western Europe countries have no >> evident >> > >> impacts on the COVID-19 epidemic."* >> > >> >> > >> The 6 foot rule effective? >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/01/two-metre-rule-reviewed-amid-hope-relaxed-restrictions-could/ >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8256109/Social-distancing-two-metres-apart-based-figure-says-government-adviser.html >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> " Social distancing orders for people to keep two metres apart to >> stop >> > >> the spread of *coronavirus* >> > >> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/coronavirus/index.html> >> > <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/coronavirus/index.html%3e> >> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/coronavirus/index.html%3e%3e> is not >> based >> > >> on any scientific research, a government adviser has said." >> > >> >> > >> The Brits had a similar health crisis in 68' >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/02/britain-handled-1968-flu-epidemic-shutdown-avoided-second-wave/ >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> I've also attached a picture that was leaked early on when it was >> > >> detected(of a piece of the actual genome). It shows some interesting >> > >> differences that don't adhere to the normal mutation process of a >> > >> corona virus. They are claimed to be "insertions". >> > >> >> > >> -- >> > >> Steven Kenney >> > >> Network Operations Manager >> > >> WaveDirect Telecommunications >> > >> http://www.wavedirect.net >> > >> (519)737-WAVE (9283) >> > >> >> > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> >> > >> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com%3e >> <af...@kwisp.com%20%3cmailto:af...@kwisp.com%3e%20%0b>> >> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com%3e%3e >> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com%3e%3e%3e >> <af...@kwisp.com%3e%3e%20%3cmailto:af...@kwisp.com%3e%3e%3e%0b>> >> *To: >> *"af" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e >> <af@af.afmug.com%20%3cmailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%20%0b>> >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%3e >> <af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%20%3cmailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%3e%0b>> >> >> *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2020 8:50:24 PM >> > >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? >> > >> >> > >> Cats are trouble. >> > >> >> > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG5mOd8Ubsk >> > >> >> > >> *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com >> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com%3e >> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com%20%3cmailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com%3e%20%0b>> >> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com%3e%3e >> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%3e >> >> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%20%3cmailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%3e%0b>> >> >> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince >> > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 7:29 PM >> > >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e >> <af@af.afmug.com%3e%20%0b>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e >> <af@af.afmug.com%3e%20%3cmailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%0b>> >> *Subject:* >> Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? >> > >> >> > >> Utah cats are easier to herd than NY cats. >> > >> >> > >> bp >> > >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> > >> >> > >> On 5/5/2020 5:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com%3e >> <ch...@wbmfg.com%3e%20%0b>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com%3e >> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com%3e%3e wrote: >> <ch...@wbmfg.com%3e%20%3cmailto:ch...@wbmfg.com%3e%3e%20wrote:%0b>> >> >> > >> We have been under 1 in Utah for some time now. >> > >> >> > >> *From:*Bill Prince >> > >> >> > >> *Sent:*Tuesday, May 5, 2020 5:51 PM >> > >> >> > >> *To:*af@af.afmug.com <mailto:To:*af@af.afmug.com%3e >> <To:*af@af.afmug.com%3e%20%0b>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e >> <af@af.afmug.com%3e%20%3cmailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%0b>> >> >> > >> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? >> > >> >> > >> Remember what I sent out about a month or so ago about all the >> > >> different strains of the virus they've identified? If we get a >> > >> vaccine in a year or so, it will probably end up being only useful >> > >> for a strain of the virus that has died out by then. >> > >> >> > >> I listened to this yesterday (this morning actually, but I >> > >> digress). It is about the best description of R, R0 (R nought), >> > >> and other variations of R. The point being is that I misunderstood >> > >> the concept of "flattening the curve". I had thought that reducing >> > >> the spread would end up infecting the same number of people over a >> > >> longer period of time (so that we don't overwhelm the health >> > >> system). Turns out, that if it's done right, you don't flatten the >> > >> curve, but you crush the curve. I also believe that the widely >> > >> varied infection/death rates comes from a wide variety of factors; >> > >> population density, version of the virus(es) that are "local", >> > >> extent of social distancing, etc. etc. However, getting 330 >> > >> million Americans to follow a plan is way, way worse than herding >> > >> cats. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> https://www.marketplace.org/shows/make-me-smart-with-kai-and-molly/is-the-simulation-breaking-cruises-are-going-to-set-sail-again/ >> > >> >> > >> bp >> > >> >> > >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> > >> >> > >> On 5/5/2020 1:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> > >> >> > >> I assume everyone saw the news item today about researchers >> > >> saying the original Wuhan virus mutated to a more contagious >> > >> strain that has pushed out its less aggressive predecessor in >> > >> Europe and the US east coast. That certainly throws cold >> > >> water on some of the vaccine optimism that was starting to build. >> > >> >> > >> Also, the way humans are reacting to this (and to climate >> > >> change before it) is starting to make me think we are no >> > >> better at handling new threats than the dinosaurs were when an >> > >> asteroid triggered an ice age. And that we may all (not just >> > >> the weak and old among us) go the way of the dinosaurs. I >> > >> mean jeez, folks, it hasn’t even been 2 months and we’re >> > >> turning on each other and shooting guards at Family Dollar and >> > >> talking about gutting and eating our neighbors. (and their >> > >> stash of Vienna sausages?) >> > >> >> > >> https://dilbert.com/strip/1990-07-05 >> > >> >> > >> *From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> >> *On Behalf Of >> > >> *ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com%3e >> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com%3e >> <ch...@wbmfg.com%3e%20%3cmailto:ch...@wbmfg.com%3e%20%0b>> < >> mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com%3e%3e >> <ch...@wbmfg.com%3e%3e%0b>> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 3:25 PM >> > >> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com >> <af@af.afmug.com> >> > >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? >> > >> >> > >> Need to see if they will float first. >> > >> >> > >> *From:*James Howard >> > >> >> > >> *Sent:*Tuesday, May 5, 2020 2:17 PM >> > >> >> > >> *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >> > >> >> > >> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? >> > >> >> > >> Seems that what was proved by this is that nobody can even >> > >> agree on what they agree about. >> > >> >> > >> I certainly don’t agree with #2. It is most certainly WAY more >> > >> contagious and easily spread than “the flu” but until we’ve >> > >> gone a full year we won’t know what the actual % death rate is >> > >> (if we even know then due to all the debates about what is >> > >> counted). >> > >> >> > >> One of the articles posted along the way here stated that this >> > >> is about 300 times more contagious than “the flu” but the >> > >> actual rate of death to cases is lower. What is the >> > >> definition of being “more deadly”? >> > >> >> > >> I disagree about shooting everyone though. I think we should >> > >> all be burned at the stake. This of course leads to arguments >> > >> about what kind of fuel to use and how to ignite it……. >> > >> >> > >> *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] >> *On Behalf Of >> > >> *Steve Jones >> > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 2:11 PM >> > >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com >> <af@af.afmug.com%20%0b>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e >> <af@af.afmug.com%3e%0b>> >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%3e >> <af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%20%3cmailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%3e%0b>> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? >> > >> >> > >> so 2-4 off the firs list are off the first list. >> > >> >> > >> you could probably find somebody to argue number 1, if nobody >> > >> steps up, ill argue it >> > >> >> > >> settled science doesnt exist, thats the exact opposite of science >> > >> >> > >> i think we should just shoot everybody. thats got nothing to >> > >> do with the disease, we should just all be shot. a whole lot >> > >> less disagreement that way. Would never work though, we would >> > >> never get past the caliber argument to even get to shooting >> > >> >> > >> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 1:48 PM Robert Andrews >> > >> <i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com%3e >> <i...@avantwireless.com%20%3cmailto:i...@avantwireless.com%3e%20%0b>> >> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com%3e%3e >> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com%3e%3e%3e >> >> <i...@avantwireless.com%3e%3e%20%3cmailto:i...@avantwireless.com%3e%3e%3e%20%0b>> >> wrote: >> > >> >> > >> Not sure about a4. I don't think Hong Kong, South Korea, >> > >> New Zealand, >> > >> Australia has the same statistics as anywhere else but >> > >> that depends upon >> > >> what statistics you are talking about. Hong Kong stands >> > >> out the most. >> > >> Look at the cases and the deaths as of Today and you >> > >> will wonder WTF >> > >> are they making it all up? Could be, but most think they >> > >> are accurate >> > >> because they dealt with SARS before, they really knew what >> > >> they were >> > >> doing more than any other country. 4 deaths. >> > >> >> > >> On 05/05/2020 10:41 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: >> > >> > Can summarize this pretty easily. These are facts that >> > >> probably we can >> > >> > agree upon. >> > >> > >> > >> > 1) Its a RNA based virus similar if not exactly like an >> > >> exosome. >> > >> > 2) Its definitely more deadly than the regular flu >> > >> > 3) It isn't as deadly as everyone estimated it to be. >> > >> (statistics and >> > >> > predictions are all off) >> > >> > 4) Countries who didn't close their economy has similar >> > >> statistics than >> > >> > countries that did. >> > >> > 5) I'm still staying home either way just to be safe! >> > >> > >> > >> > These points are to be debated and NOBODY can say with >> > >> absolute >> > >> > certainty these things are correct. >> > >> > >> > >> > 1) The virus originated from China >> > >> > 2) It originated from a lab studying the virus. >> > >> > 3) It escaped either intentionally or accidentally. >> > >> > 4) The demographics the virus impacts may or may not be >> > >> specific (old, >> > >> > young, white, black, asian etc) >> > >> > 5) The people reporting statistics for deaths/infections >> > >> are 100% >> > >> > accurate. There are cases all over of under reporting >> > >> and over reporting. >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Steven Kenney >> > >> > Network Operations Manager >> > >> > WaveDirect Telecommunications >> > >> > http://www.wavedirect.net >> > >> > (519)737-WAVE (9283) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com >> <mhoward...@gmail.com%20%0b>> <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com%3e >> <mhoward...@gmail.com%3e%0b>> >> <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com%3e%3e >> <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com%3e%3e%3e >> <mhoward...@gmail.com%3e%3e%20%3cmailto:mhoward...@gmail.com%3e%3e%3e%0b>> >> >> > *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e >> <af@af.afmug.com%20%3cmailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%20%0b>> >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%3e >> <af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%20%3cmailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%3e%0b>> >> > >> *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2020 12:59:03 PM >> > >> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? >> > >> > >> > >> > It seems to me, that what really matters is how many >> > >> deaths there have >> > >> > been in excess of what the average was for the same >> > >> period in previous >> > >> > years (yes, I know that's what they're talking about in >> > >> the NYT article, >> > >> > but I'm too lazy to read it all and see how much detail >> > >> they go into). >> > >> > We can argue all day about whether somebody that died of >> > >> a heart attack >> > >> > died because they had covid19 or whether they just had >> > >> an unrelated >> > >> > heart attack and just happened to have a mild case of >> > >> covid, and whether >> > >> > they should be counted, but in the end, it doesn't >> > >> really matter. If >> > >> > say, an average of 10,000 people died in X state in >> > >> April for the past 5 >> > >> > years, and this year 15,000 died, then we can pretty >> > >> safely blame 5,000 >> > >> > of those deaths on covid. It doesn't really matter if >> > >> 6,000 people >> > >> > actually died of covid, but 1000 of them would've died >> > >> of flu anyway, >> > >> > and it just happened to be covid that finished them off >> > >> instead, or if >> > >> > 500 got so sick of sitting in front of the tv that they >> > >> jumped off a >> > >> > bridge and were never infected. >> > >> > I don't think we'll ever have particularly accurate >> > >> numbers of how many >> > >> > people directly died of the infection (other than maybe >> > >> in Utah), but in >> > >> > a few months we should have pretty accurate numbers of >> > >> how many excess >> > >> > deaths there were. >> > >> > >> > >> > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 11:22 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com >> <af...@kwisp.com%20%0b>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com%3e >> <af...@kwisp.com%3e%0b>> >> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com%20%0b%3e%3e >> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com%20%0b%3e%3e%3e >> >> <af...@kwisp.com%20%0b%3e%3e%20%3cmailto:af...@kwisp.com%20%0b%3e%3e%3e%20%0b>> >> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com%3e%3e <mailto:af...@kwisp.com%3e%3e%3e >> <af...@kwisp.com%3e%3e%20%3cmailto:af...@kwisp.com%3e%3e%3e%0b>> >> >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > Those who suspect an “agenda” will immediately >> > >> dispute these graphs >> > >> > because the source is NYT which they will perceive >> > >> as biased. But >> > >> > if you read the article, they go out of their way to >> > >> point out >> > >> > possible errors in the data, as well as other >> > >> influences like >> > >> > overloaded healthcare system led to people dying of >> > >> other causes, >> > >> > but also less deaths due to traffic and violence. >> > >> And the data as >> > >> > Bill says is from other sources, the paper didn’t >> > >> make them up to >> > >> > suit a political agenda or bias.____ >> > >> > >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/28/us/coronavirus-death-toll-total.html >> ____ >> > >> > >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > >> > >> > In other countries like Italy, no doubt the deaths >> > >> were undercounted >> > >> > because the system was overwhelmed. Even in NYC, >> > >> the morgues and >> > >> > crematories are overloaded, they are stuffing bodies >> > >> in refrigerated >> > >> > semis, you can’t possibly claim these are just the >> > >> normal deaths >> > >> > being mislabeled as Covid related to suit an >> > >> agenda. Then you have >> > >> > all the prison and nursing home deaths. OK, sure, >> > >> elderly people >> > >> > croak all the time, it’s a hoax.____ >> > >> > >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > >> > >> > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com >> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com%3e >> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com%20%3cmailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com%3e%0b>> >> >> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com%0b%3e%3e >> >> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com%0b%3e%3e%20%0b>> < >> mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com%0b%3e%3e%3e >> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com%0b%3e%3e%3e%0b>> >> >> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com%3e%3e >> >> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%20%0b>> >> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%3e >> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince >> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%3e%20*On%20Behalf%20Of%20*Bill%20Prince%0b>> >> >> > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 11:02 AM >> > >> > *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e >> <af@af.afmug.com%3e%20%0b>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e >> <af@af.afmug.com%3e%20%3cmailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%0b>> >> >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e >> <af@af.afmug.com%3e%20%3cmailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%0b>> >> > >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?____ >> > >> > >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > >> > >> > The numbers posted on various web sites are neither >> > >> government >> > >> > sourced or corporate sourced. Hospitals, clinics, >> > >> and morgues are >> > >> > supplying the numbers. There is a level of >> > >> uncertainty because of >> > >> > different criteria. That is true for the US cases, >> > >> but probably not >> > >> > for other countries. For example, the numbers coming >> > >> from China (and >> > >> > several other countries) are by design government >> > >> based. But to >> > >> > brush them all off as "government or corporations" >> > >> is being naive at >> > >> > least.____ >> > >> > >> > >> > I would not say that "most" patients have >> > >> pre-existing conditions. >> > >> > Maybe a high percentage, but it does not explain why >> > >> such a large >> > >> > number of otherwise healthy people are being >> > >> infected the way they >> > >> > are. At some point, we will figure out that there is >> > >> a genetic or >> > >> > environmental factor that we just do not understand >> > >> yet.____ >> > >> > >> > >> > I (for one) do not believe the numbers are 100% >> > >> accurate, but I also >> > >> > do not believe the numbers are 100% fictitious >> > >> either. Where you cut >> > >> > off is probably a personal thing.____ >> > >> > >> > >> > bp____ >> > >> > >> > >> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____ >> > >> > >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > >> > >> > On 5/5/2020 6:55 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:____ >> > >> > >> > >> > You guys work with statistics much? You think >> > >> the numbers are >> > >> > accurate? At what point have you ever seen >> > >> government or >> > >> > corporations represent 100% accurate numbers?____ >> > >> > >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > >> > >> > I'll let you do your own homework. But I've >> > >> seen hundreds of >> > >> > reports from all over the place of deaths of >> > >> natural causes >> > >> > being classified as covid deaths. Since most >> > >> patients have >> > >> > existing conditions and many were already dying >> > >> and died of >> > >> > those conditions (heart attack, cancer etc) are >> > >> being >> > >> > attributed to covid. Some people have estimated >> > >> that upward of >> > >> > 20% misrepresented. So as long as there is 1 >> > >> case that is >> > >> > questionable - the statistics are not accurate. ____ >> > >> > >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Steven Kenney >> > >> > Network Operations Manager >> > >> > WaveDirect Telecommunications >> > >> > http://www.wavedirect.net >> > >> > (519)737-WAVE (9283)____ >> > >> > >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > >> > >> > *From: *"Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com >> <part15...@gmail.com%20%0b>> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com%3e >> <part15...@gmail.com%3e%0b>> >> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com%3e%3e >> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com%3e%3e%3e >> <part15...@gmail.com%3e%3e%20%3cmailto:part15...@gmail.com%3e%3e%3e%0b>> >> >> > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com%3e <mailto:part15...@gmail.com%3e%3e >> <part15...@gmail.com%3e%20%3cmailto:part15...@gmail.com%3e%3e%0b>> >> > >> *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e >> <af@af.afmug.com%20%3cmailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%0b>> >> >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%3e >> <af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%20%3cmailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%3e%20%0b>> >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e >> <af@af.afmug.com%3e%20%3cmailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%0b>> >> > *Sent: >> *Monday, May 4, 2020 2:04:16 PM >> > >> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?____ >> > >> > >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > >> > >> > The numbers are not "completely" false, but it's >> > >> the best we can >> > >> > do when we don't actually test all the suspected >> > >> infections. It >> > >> > also (probably) missed a whole lot of the early >> > >> deaths, as they >> > >> > were miss-classified. If you think under-ground >> > >> near-do-wells >> > >> > are planted in all the hospitals around the >> > >> country and are >> > >> > coordinating false numbers on all the rest of >> > >> us, then I have a >> > >> > tin hat that might fit real well.____ >> > >> > >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > >> > >> > bp____ >> > >> > >> > >> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____ >> > >> > >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > >> > >> > On 5/4/2020 10:48 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:____ >> > >> > >> > >> > Numbers are completely false. Even with >> > >> that taken into >> > >> > regard it still is just as lethal as the >> > >> regular flu. While >> > >> > it is way more harsh on people if they get >> > >> it, most people >> > >> > have underlying conditions, or didn't know >> > >> they had them, or >> > >> > didn't take it serious when they got it. ____ >> > >> > >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > >> > >> > Unfortunately politicians never waste a crisis to further >> > >> > their agenda. ____ >> > >> > >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Steven Kenney >> > >> > Network Operations Manager >> > >> > WaveDirect Telecommunications >> > >> > http://www.wavedirect.net >> > >> > (519)737-WAVE (9283)____ >> > >> > >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > >> > >> > *From: *"chuck" <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com%3e >> <ch...@wbmfg.com%20%3cmailto:ch...@wbmfg.com%3e%0b>> >> >> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com%3e%3e >> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com%3e%3e%3e >> <ch...@wbmfg.com%3e%3e%20%3cmailto:ch...@wbmfg.com%3e%3e%3e%20%0b>> >> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com%3e >> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com%3e%3e >> <ch...@wbmfg.com%3e%20%3cmailto:ch...@wbmfg.com%3e%3e%0b>> >> > *To: >> *"af" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e >> <af@af.afmug.com%20%3cmailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%0b>> >> >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%3e >> <af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%20%3cmailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%3e%20%0b>> >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e >> <af@af.afmug.com%3e%20%3cmailto:af@af.afmug.com%3e%3e%0b>> >> > *Sent: >> *Monday, May 4, 2020 12:30:08 PM >> > >> > *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT Is this good?____ >> > >> > >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > >> > >> > image____ >> > >> > >> > >> > ____ >> > >> > >> > >> > Every time I get my hopes up this curve >> > >> breaks my heart... >> > >> > Let’s hope we are on the tail of a normal >> > >> curve. ____ >> > >> > >> > >> > 6 days in a row decline. 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