Yeah we get those ourselves. Chuck was asking where the $1500 all-in kit was. The $1500 link I posted is only one side of the link, from what I read plus one would need another duplexer for each side.
Sent from my iPhone > On May 9, 2020, at 15:27, Chuck Macenski <ch...@macenski.com> wrote: > > > Cassidy: No, you can buy the stand-alone radio (unless I am missing something) > https://store.ui.com/collections/operator-airfiber/products/af-11 > >> On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 4:13 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> Somebody’s got to pay the salaries of the people who unbox the kits, break >> them up into individual radios, and throw the antennas in the dumpster. >> Ordinarily you would pay an eBay seller to do this. Maybe it’s like the >> “chicken tax” and Ford pulling the back seats out of new Transit Connect >> vans. >> >> https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/the-strange-case-of-fords-attempt-to-avoid-thechicken-tax/2018/07/06/643624fa-796a-11e8-8df3-007495a78738_story.html >> >> >> >> >> >> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com >> Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 3:58 PM >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] af11x >> >> >> >> $999 for a single radio, where a kit is $1500 for two radios and all the >> trimmings? >> >> >> >> From: Chuck Macenski >> >> Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 2:44 PM >> >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] af11x >> >> >> >> In stock: >> >> https://store.ui.com/collections/operator-airfiber/products/af-11 >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 12:10 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Well, right, that's true, and another thing that you need to consider is >> that something like an Aviat will run at higher TX power, and probably has >> better receive sensitivity, meaning you might be able to use smaller dishes >> for similar performance in some circumstances. >> >> >> >> Using 2 foots is doable on 7 miles around here (the ubnt dishes are actually >> something like 32", but the gain is more in line with a decent 2')... but it >> all depends on what your requirements are. It will lose some capacity in >> heavy storms, but I wouldn't expect that to be a major problem in Utah. Even >> putting a 3' dish on some structures we're installing on is questionable >> (whether for wind load reasons, appearance or even just lack of space), so >> 4' or 6' has pretty much been out of the question on the links I've done. >> Sometimes you just have to take what you can get. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 11:34 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >> >> I didn't mean to imply it would be the same price, but it's a different >> value that needs to be considered. >> >> >> >> If you need larger or higher quality dishes, they very well could represent >> more cost than the electronics in either scenario. Ever price out 4' or 6' >> high performance dishes? >> >> >> >> >> >> It's not just cat A vs. cat b, but within cat A there are still huge >> differences in what you may need to use in your environment. >> >> >> >> That said, in our area, I can't imagine using less than a 3' dish for a 7 >> mile link in 11 GHz. I'd be happier with a 4'. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> >> The Brothers WISP >> >> >> >> >> From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> >> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >> Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 11:18:56 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] af11x >> >> Well, in theory, the AF11 will be available without the dishes again at some >> point... >> >> >> >> I think an Aviat single transceiver link came out to about $6k for the >> hardware, with 2' dishes when I priced it, so that's nearly double the price >> of the AF11. If we say $1k of that is in the dishes (I don't remember >> exactly how the pricing broke down, but I think the dishes were actually >> quite a bit less than that), that's still an almost $2k difference (with >> throwing the ubiquiti dishes away)... presumably the better dishes will be >> about the same price for either radio, so the only other difference is going >> to be a few hundred for adapters to connect the AF11 to a real dish. >> >> >> >> It didn't used to be too big of a difference in price to use Jirous dishes >> with the AF11, because even though you had to buy an adapter (which I think >> was like $140), the dishes were cheaper, but I don't think that's the case >> anymore (and it obvious isn't if you can only get the kit). >> >> >> >> And of course, if you only need ~350Mbps, you could just do single pol with >> the AF11, and there'd be no need to go with better radios... and it would >> take ~$350 off the price, since you don't need the extra duplexers. >> >> >> >> But the only reason I'd see you needing better dishes on a 7 mile link is if >> congestion makes a cat A dish necessary. >> >> >> >> Shipping cost also starts to add up when you're dealing with bigger >> dishes... Chuck could probably pick up the AF11 kits locally from >> Streakwave, but that may not be the case for other stuff. >> >> >> >> On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 9:44 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >> >> How much more is it, though, for better radios if you need the better >> dishes, yet have to buy the Ubiquiti dishes anyway? >> >> AF11 kit with dishes (that you'll just throw away) >> >> N to waveguide adapters >> >> Good dish >> >> >> >> vs. >> >> >> >> Better radio >> >> Good dish >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> >> The Brothers WISP >> >> >> >> >> From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> >> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >> Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 9:21:00 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] af11x >> >> I used Comsearch for the last few we did... the price wasn't much different >> at the time, but I have no idea if that's still the case. >> >> >> >> Ken is right about the performance... you basically get he same throughput >> out of dual pol that higher end radios get on single pol. It only really >> matters if the area is congested, but if it is, you may need to spend more >> and get better radios. >> >> >> >> On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 8:51 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >> So is Liz still the best value for freq coordination and license prep? >> >> >> >> From: Ken Hohhof >> >> Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 7:34 AM >> >> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] af11x >> >> >> >> I don’t have any AF11X and may be remembering wrong, but I think you >> basically have to coordinate dual pol, for single pol performance. So if >> you’re in a congested area, it might be marginally more difficult to >> coordinate because you won’t have the option of using single pol if only V >> or H is available. V is usually preferred because of less rain fade, so >> sometimes H is still available. Bottom line, might want to do frequency >> coordination before buying hardware. >> >> >> >> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Chuck McCown >> Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 7:15 AM >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] af11x >> >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> On May 8, 2020, at 11:01 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> The kit is available with high band duplexers. >> >> >> >> But yeah, last I checked, the AF11 is still only in stock anywhere in kit >> form, so it makes sense to just go with the Ubiquiti dishes (which should be >> fine for 7 miles anyway), So you'd be at about $3200 for the hardware (2 >> kits plus two more duplexers to do mimo). If I remember correctly, >> coordination and licensing was somewhere around $1600 on the last link we >> did, so you'll probably end up right around $5K total. >> >> >> >> I haven't ever had any problem finding an open frequency, but that >> completely depends on the area. >> >> >> >> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 6:15 PM Jason Wilson <ja...@remotelylocated.com> >> wrote: >> >> Additionally if you get a high band allotment you’ll need new duplexes all >> the way around. >> >> >> >> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 3:48 PM Jesse DuPont <jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> >> wrote: >> >> Yes. The AF11x "kit" (two radios, two duplexers, two antennas) is $1500, >> need two more duplexers if doing MIMO - another $500 ish. Then $2K (at the >> most) for the coordination/licensing fees. If you want better antennas than >> the UBNT ones in the kit, they'll be over and above. Radiowaves and KP make >> good ones (they're the same antenna, actually). >> >> >> >> >> >> Jesse DuPont >> >> Owner / Network Architect >> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net >> Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC >> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc >> >> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband >> >> <celeritynetworks-GIF.gif> >> >> >> >> On 5/8/20 4:41 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >> >> $4K, both radios, both antennas and a license? >> >> >> >> From: Jesse DuPont >> >> Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:39 PM >> >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; ch...@wbmfg.com >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] af11x >> >> >> >> About $4K, 700 Mbps. Open freqs completely depends on your location. 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