It was me. I said it to Archie

On Sat, May 9, 2020, 6:59 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> I have this recollection of a comic or movie character who would say “I’ll
> give you your rights … and your lefts!” or something like that.  I was
> thinking maybe Dick Tracy.  But the Google can’t find it, so I must be
> mistaken.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 9, 2020 6:47 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Philosopy of Tussis
>
>
>
> So you can cough at me from 6 feet away I guess.
>
>
>
> *From:* Robert
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 9, 2020 5:17 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Philosopy of Tussis
>
>
>
> I remember someone talking about the right to swing your arms around all
> you want just until it strikes my nose, then your "rights" have abridged
> mine.  ( Or your rights get the response from my left )...   That was what
> prompted my question, actually...
>
> On 5/9/20 11:30 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Do we have a right not to be infected by others?
>
> Do we have a right not to be coughed on or sneezed on or breathed on?
>
> Do we have a right not to be pissed on or have someone smear their
> blood/feces/snot on us?
>
>
>
> If we have these rights, then that means other people must do something to
> preserve our rights.
>
> Distance, mask, not go around naked....
>
>
>
> Do you have a right to not wear a mask around me?
>
> Do I have a right to ask you to wear a mask around me?
>
> How large is a personal bubble?
>
> Do you have the exclusive say as to how things go inside your bubble?
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 9, 2020 11:30 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability
>
>
>
> Lol, yeah, 6monrh, then 6 months, then 6 months. Get real. Its over
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 9, 2020, 11:47 AM Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com>
> wrote:
>
> And probably way less knowledge of how to treat sick people than we will
> know in 6 months.  It's a teeter-totter...
>
> On 05/09/2020 09:32 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> > That's why right now is the best time to get it. We have the highest
> > availability of healthcare resources in my entire lifetime.
> >
> > On Sat, May 9, 2020, 10:07 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net
> <af...@ics-il.net%20%0b>> <mailto:af...@ics-il.net <af...@ics-il.net>>>
> wrote:
> >
> >     Most of us will need to get it (or vaccines) to stop it's reach from
> >     getting to everyone.
> >
> >
> >
> >     -----
> >     Mike Hammett
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> >     *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com%0b>>     <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>>
> >     *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com
> <af@af.afmug.com%0b>>     <mailto:af@af.afmug.com <af@af.afmug.com>>>
> >     *Sent: *Saturday, May 9, 2020 9:50:29 AM
> >     *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability
> >
> >     That's why right now is the best time to get it. Matt and the
> >     talking heads keep saying that we all will eventually get this, and
> >     they wouldn't lie. So right now when the hospitals are empty and 60
> >     percent of healthcare staff is laid off is the ideal time to get it.
> >     Get it in the fall when it resources (again, matt and the talking
> >     heads have guaranteed this) are taxed due to flu season, and
> >     survivability drops.
> >      From day one I've said infection centers would be the absolute best
> >     tool to fight this thing. The younger, healthier, medically screened
> >     people go and get infected, and start treatment immediately. Its
> >     effectively the same thing as vaccination with a few more steps.
> >     Morons say "well we dont know that getting it will make you immune"
> >     which is fine and good, maybe it's not like 99 percent of other
> >     viruses. But guess what that means. It means that there will never
> >     be a vaccine since that's what vaccines to (make your body think
> >     you've had the disease). Matt and the talking heads cannot have it
> >     both ways, science doesnt allow it.
> >
> >     I'm in the same boat though, I want to maximize the time with my
> >     kids. I have this new fresh one that's still just a lump of dough,
> >     I'd like to get to know what he cooks into. But I wont do this
> >     teaching these little bastards to cower in the corner because the
> >     government says to, especially when the governments demands dont
> >     match the so called science they're basing it on. And the little
> >     dough ball isnt developing an immune system, he will be that pale
> >     gray sickly kid with a doctors note for PE soon if I dont get him
> >     exposed to some community germs. I'm about to go drag him across a
> >     truck stop floor
> >
> >     On Sat, May 9, 2020, 9:35 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com
> <ch...@wbmfg.com%0b>>     <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <ch...@wbmfg.com>>>
> wrote:
> >
> >         I have not had nearly enough time with my grandkids yet.
> >         So, trying to optimize the chance of more time with grandkids.
> >         *From:* Lewis Bergman
> >         *Sent:* Saturday, May 9, 2020 8:18 AM
> >         *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >         *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability
> >         Maybe. At this point, I couldn't care less. Get it, don't get
> >         it. I don't care anymore.
> >         On Sat, May 9, 2020, 9:07 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> >
> >             I modified all the doors I could so you don’t have to use a
> >             hand to open them.
> >             Put an auto flush valve on the urinal.
> >             We asked all the guys to try to do the 6 foot thing.
> >             Logging temps with an IR thermometer each morning and
> >             posting them on a white board is surprisingly reassuring in
> >             a way.
> >             None of this is expensive or onerous or an overreaction and
> >             will work for all kinds of communicable diseases.
> >             I don’t want them to bring it back to me.  Everyone at my
> >             place is much younger than my wife and myself.  Silly for
> >             those in a particular age demographic to not be as careful
> >             as they can.  I also wear my seat belt, don’t smoke and try
> >             to keep my blood sugar and blood pressure low. To me this is
> >             just more of the same.
> >             *From:* Lewis Bergman
> >             *Sent:* Saturday, May 9, 2020 7:54 AM
> >             *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >             *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability
> >             We changed nothing. No distancing, no work from home, no
> >             masks, no gloves. The only thing we are sick of is all the
> >             talk of covid. Workers comp covers this kind of thing and
> >             your ERA is based on the total experience of like industries
> >             which presumably would experience similar sickness rates.
> >             Don't let the fear of liability stop you from doing anything
> >             productive.
> >             On Fri, May 8, 2020, 5:41 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> >
> >                 I never shut down.  I build critical infrastructure.
> >                 We distanced, made sure everyone was in their own
> vehicle.
> >                 Gave them all gloves and masks.  Make sure everyone’s
> >                 temperature is taken and logged each morning.
> >                 If someone gets sick, who gave it to them and who gave
> >                 it to that person.  If you want to attempt to assign
> >                 liability it would as difficult as doing slavery
> >                 reparations in a fair manner.
> >                 The can sue China.
> >                 *From:* Robert
> >                 *Sent:* Friday, May 8, 2020 4:20 PM
> >                 *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> >                 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability
> >                 Act of God?   How would you deal with someone getting
> >                 the flu or passing it on?
> >
> >                 On 5/8/20 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> >
> >                     Any lawyer will tell you that waiver only goes so
> far.
> >
> >                         On May 8, 2020, at 6:00 PM, Steve Jones
> >                         mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >                         
> >                         Rotflmao. Waiver of liability. Literally that
> simple
> >                         On Fri, May 8, 2020, 4:55 PM Matt Hoppes
> >                         <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
> >
> >                             As we look to reopen our operations, the one
> >                             thing that remains is liability.
> >
> >                             How are you all addressing the liability if
> >                             either your tech gets someone sick (and they
> >                             die), or someone gets your tech sick (and
> >                             now you have a potential OSHA issue on your
> >                             hands.
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