In our county, we have to quarry a stone tablet, cart it
down to the office, make an X with a tar crayon, and be able
to lift on to the ballet cart to have the vote count.
On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Our county typically uses touchscreen machines for
in-person voting, both early and day-of. (A paper tape
record is also printed out and can be verified by the
voter) Obviously these are very quick to process.
Early voting sites were open for 15 days prior to the
election. In addition, there was one early voting site
open 40 days prior to the election, but it used paper
ballots. Basically you filled out the same form as a
mail-in ballot, sealed it, and dropped it in a box.
That’s how I voted and I was disappointed that was the
process, I thought they would scan them through a
“tabulator” as the last step, just like back when we
used paper ballots for day-of voting. I expected as the
last step before leaving I would feed the paper ballot
into a scanner. Instead I sealed it in an envelope and
dropped it in a box.
All the paper ballots including early in-person and
mail-in were required to sit in the locked boxes until
something like 7am on election day before they could
start processing them. This was apparently also the
case in many battleground states. They weren’t even
allowed to open the envelopes, uncrease the forms, check
signatures, nothing.
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 9:52 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
In our county (and I have no idea if this is the norm in
the rest of the state), they count them as they come in,
but hold the results in a secure area until the close of
the in-person polls. Ballots that are postmarked (if
they were mailed) up until the day of the election will
be accepted for a certain amount of time, but I don't
know how long that is.
We also have an online ballot tracking system. After we
dropped our ballots off, we could go to a ballot status
web site that told us (1) if the ballot had been
received, and (2) if it had been accepted. It took 48
hours for our ballots to show up in that system. I
presume if our ballots had not been accepted, there is
some sort of mechanism to go fix that, but I've never
had to use it.
bp
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On 11/9/2020 7:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Yes, some states are doing exactly that.
*From:*Adam Moffett
*Sent:*Monday, November 9, 2020 8:09 AM
*To:*af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
Scan them as they go, but don't publish the ongoing
count.
On 11/8/2020 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
I think vote by mail and scan them as they
arrive is the way to go. That way when the
polls close you have an immediate count.
*From:*Bill Prince
*Sent:*Sunday, November 8, 2020 2:38 PM
*To:*af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
The whole punch card voting "system" was doomed
from the beginning. I remember using it when I
lived in Santa Clara County 30 years ago or so.
Even when you punched out a hole properly, the
chads would sometime stick or hang on a corner.
For quite some time now, we've been using the
paper ballots where you fill in the square or
the circle.
I've also been registered as a permanent
absentee for over a decade. When I voted (almost
a month ago now), we filled out our ballots at
the kitchen counter, and took them to a drop box
the next day when we were running errands in
town. The actual act of "voting" (if you want to
call it that) took less than 1 minute as we just
dropped the ballots off at one of dozens of drop
boxes all over the county.Our county has (IIRC)
39 drop boxes for a population of ~~ 750,000, or
about 1 drop box for every 20,000 people.
Pennsylvania still hasn't started counting the
late arrival absentee ballots. All of the ones
they've counted so far arrived before November
3, but for reasons I don't understand were not
allowed to be counted until after the day-of
voting. From the things I've read, there are
only about 85,000 of them, and they are unlikely
to do anything but extend Biden's cushion.
I (for one) would be in favor of uniform
voting/counting standards. Perhaps it would be a
violation of state's rights, but on the other
hand, there would be a lot less confusion when
the time for voting comes around.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/8/2020 11:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Stop the vote in Pennsylvania but keep
counting in Arizona. It’s a Maxwell’s Demon
approach. Open the door when it helps me,
close the door when it helps the other guy.
That’s probably why the Supremes stopped the
recounts in Bush v Gore, the Gore camp
wanted to keep looking for errors but only
in the counties where they thought it would
help them. But also the votes had already
been counted (and recounted). And there was
the original Florida Man, some guy named
Hanging Chad? And the phone call and the
retraction.
Democrats to this day take it as gospel that
Gore was robbed. That does not bode well
for half the country moving on from this
election.
*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf
Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, November 8, 2020 12:02 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is
deafening..
In Michigan we're demanding a recount. In
Wisconsin we're demanding a decount. In
Georgia it's opposites day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LmFVEi5Jd0
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LmFVEi5Jd0>
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/7/2020 8:27 PM, justsumname wrote:
The declaration that Biden has won is
premature. This thing hasn't really
gotten started yet.
Judges don't hold court on the weekends.
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On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 6:40 PM Jaime
Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yes good movie.
More akin to today is Seven Days in
May...March, Douglas, Lancaster...
On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:22 PM Ken
Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
The Founding Fathers didn’t
account for the rise of
political parties, which came
soon enough.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan>
Somehow I’m reminded of the
movie The Man Who Shot Liberty
Valance. Set in the fading days
of the old west with territories
becoming states and deciding who
to elect as their
representatives. Should it be
Jimmy Stewart the righteous
lawyer, or Lee Marvin the outlaw
gang leader? The old fashioned
idea that you sent the brightest
and best educated person to
Washington to represent you.
Hah! Politicians are not held in
great esteem today, and we would
probably vote for Liberty
Valance. I assume everyone has
seen the movie. It’s an old
John Ford western, in fact he
shot it in B&W, but it’s a must
see. Look at the cast – Jimmy
Stewart, John Wayne, Lee Marvin,
Vera Miles, Andy Devine, Edmond
O’Brien, John Caradine, Lee Van
Cleef.
*From:*AF
<af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>
*On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Saturday, November 7,
2020 4:46 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The
Silence is deafening..
The three-fifths compromise was
enacted long before California
existed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise>
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/7/2020 12:54 PM, Matt
Hoppes wrote:
Uhhhh. No. The EC was
created so that California
has the same voice power as
Rhode Island.
On Nov 7, 2020, at 3:17
PM, Bill Prince
mailto:part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Could have been over on
Tuesday if we didn't
have the silly Electoral
College shenanigans;
which actually evolved
from the crazy slave is
3/5 of a person
nonsense. Here we are ~~
250 years later and
we're still dealing with
decisions we made about
slaves.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/7/2020 11:15 AM,
Jaime Solorza wrote:
We have spoken.
Righteous Indignation
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