That’s exactly what we saw. Preseem would equalize flows - but we still got calls for buffering issues.
When we created data lanes those issues also went away. Saisei was a bit complex to get setup. But they helped all the way. And since it’s setup it’s been hands off. > On Dec 5, 2020, at 6:12 PM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote: > > > Preseem handles this fine too Matt. If Netflix bursts up to 25 mbps while you > have voip or gaming going, fq_codel will make sure the small flows move ahead > of Netflix. > > Saisei is DPI and entirely different so you can keep Netflix at 5 mbps for > example. It's way more complicated and has more knobs than preseem. We enjoy > the simplicity of not having to tweak things all the time like we had to with > procera and Saisei. > > We have seen similar complaints of more buffering when a user upgrades from > 10 to 25 or higher mbps for example. Every case of this has been a wifi issue > with either a crap router or lots of weak signal clients. Airtime usage on > the router was being maxed out now that they upgraded plans. Fix the wifi and > the problems go away. Or use Saisei like Matt does but their wifi still > sucks, it just doesn't max the airtime anymore. > >> On Sat, Dec 5, 2020, 5:06 PM Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> >> wrote: >> At 25 megabit plans we see devices thrash painfully. They will think they >> have the full 25 meg. Try to grab a chunk. And can’t because something is >> using the bandwidth. >> That’s why we made lanes. >> >>>> On Dec 5, 2020, at 6:00 PM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote: >>>> >>> >>> Yes Netflix will scale down gracefully. They have the best compression and >>> least amount of buffering of any streaming provider. They are using the >>> latest encoding techniques to reduce bandwidth with no perceptible loss of >>> quality. >>> >>> Netflix will actually work down to 0.5 mbps without buffering. This will be >>> low quality of course but it works. >>> >>> If Netflix buffers, you have terrible wifi or a bad device. If your device >>> and wifi are good and you have at least 0.5 mbps, Netflix works. I've seen >>> HD work down below 1.5 mbps before and it's beautiful quality. >>> >>> I give Netflix tons of props for making sure their service works well when >>> others don't. Read through the Netflix Tech Blog if you wanna geek out on >>> how they operate. >>> >>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2020, 3:49 PM Matt Hoppes >>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: >>>> I don’t know. But this is why we run Saisei and carve out “channels” for >>>> applications. >>>> >>>> We’ve found issues with that exact situation and devices that don’t handle >>>> the down scale properly. >>>> >>>> We’ve actually had customers report a better experience on our 10 meg plan >>>> than our 25 megabit plan until we established data lanes on our plans. >>>> >>>> Now you buy a 25 meg plan but streaming, updates, gaming, voip, etc all >>>> have their own lanes. >>>> >>>> You can use everything unless something else wants data. Then everything >>>> gets dumped into the lanes and stays there. >>>> >>>> Some say this is shady I liken this to a freeway at rush hour. >>>> >>>> You leave all the traffic just go and it backlogs. You have the HOV lane >>>> and now traffic is flying again. >>>> >>>> Customers want their experience to just work. >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 5, 2020, at 4:39 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have seen customers recently using 12 Mbps for what appears to be a >>>>> single Netflix video stream. Anyone else seeing this? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I was puzzled what could be between HD at 5-6 Mbps and UHD at 15-25 Mbps? >>>>> But then I saw this: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://netflixtechblog.com/optimized-shot-based-encodes-for-4k-now-streaming-47b516b10bbb >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Are these customers streaming 4K video? And if so, does anyone know what >>>>> happens if other people in the house start using bandwidth, will Netflix >>>>> gracefully adjust the video quality downward to lower quality UHD or to >>>>> HD? Or will customers start watching 4K UHD and then complain their >>>>> Internet sucks if other usage in the house drops the available download >>>>> bandwidth to 8 or 10 Mbps? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And I wonder how this interacts with Netflix supposedly limiting stream >>>>> rates during the pandemic to lessen the burden on Internet infrastructure. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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