Actually, the rings can be 24” away from the feed horn.  In higher frequencies 
it becomes practical to just use a fresnel lens like a lighthouse uses.  The 
lens is made out of plastic.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 11:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] First 60Ghz LR alignment job ever

Id give my left nut, or 6 chickens to have that for epmp 5ghz. But I assume 
link distance dictates some of the ring placement. I cant get wrench jockeys to 
tighten bolts, let alone do maths. I had tried shielding the bottom part of the 
reflector to see if I could do away with some ground reflected multipath. In 
retrospect I wonder if it reflects off the top of the dish not the bottom when 
the reflection comes from the ground

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 4:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:

  Zone plate antenna


  I have tried to make these things work and did not have good luck.
  I think one of my sons also tried in college and he had lousy luck too.  

  From: Chuck McCown via AF 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 3:35 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Cc: Chuck McCown 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] First 60Ghz LR alignment job ever

  If you can surgically block everything below .6 (I think it is .6 might be 1) 
you can get 6 dB more signal than free space path loss.  That is the principle 
of zone plate antennas.

  I agree, if you are seeing the second, you need to lower or keep going higher 
to get all of the third or you are losing ground.  

  From: Brian Webster 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 3:25 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] First 60Ghz LR alignment job ever

  You may actually want to lower the unit. The higher you go the more even 
number Fresnel zones you expose which are out of phase for the odd numbered 
ones. This will actually lower signal. Higher is not always better. Best 
practice is to try to achieve between .6 and 1 Fresnel zone clearance. Going 
higher exposes the second zone and starts you losing signal strength.



  Thank you,

  Brian Webster

  www.wirelessmapping.com



  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 5:11 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] First 60Ghz LR alignment job ever



  Will let you know...



  On Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 3:01 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:

    9’ fresnel zone at the mid point of a 4 mile path.  I will be surprised if 
this helps.  



    From: Jaime Solorza 

    Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 2:54 PM

    To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] First 60Ghz LR alignment job ever



    They raised tower and tighten guyed wires...they are going to move It 
higher.



    On Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 11:55 AM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

      I doubt they'd even connect if you weren't clearing the tree line (the 
fresnel zone is tiny at 60ghz, so that's not usually an issue, as long as you 
have visual LOS). I don't think I've ever been able to hit the expected signal 
on a 3+ mile link with those radios, so I wouldn't be surprised if you don't 
get much more than that out of it.



      On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 7:04 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

        Little over 4 miles but i think they are not high enough to completely 
over tree line.



        On Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 5:53 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> 
wrote:

          How long is the path?

          Sent from my iPhone

          > On Sep 14, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Jaime Solorza 
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
          > 
          > 
          > We got it to -54dBm of expected -46dBm and was passing 380 
-406Mbps...the other side of link is one with problems...every time Moye 
shifted weight on tower , signal would degrade...i think they said guyed wires 
need adjustments....more to come..
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