Who wants to charge their car every 90 minutes for 10 minutes at a time? Time to burn some dust, eat my rubber!
On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 2:48 PM Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote: > If you are doing a 300 mile trip, your stop at a supercharger for a > Model Y would be about 10 minutes to add another 150 miles, so that's > not bad when you would be stopping at a gas station for 10 minutes as > well. ( I haven't ever gotten out and put even 10 gallons in in less > that 7 minutes with using the card and all that, you don't do any of > that at a supercharger ) As far as towing is going, I think you will > see more and more of the Electric Airstream campers coming down the road > that have electric assist, to remove the range losses. There are used > EV's on the market and the only reason the prices are high is because > the demand is there, the prices will drop as more used ones hit the > market, but they will come with reduced range, which is a loss and a > gain because the rest of the drivetrain will have a lot more use than a > 60K+ ICE vehicle... So the only takeaway is that it's still a rapidly > evolving market, but the ICE builders already see the writing on the > wall.... New teslas come with integrated battery packs which I think is > going to be a problem in the future, but I am not going to be the one > dealing with that... > > On 2/14/22 11:15, Brian Webster wrote: > > Living in rural America I am not a fan of the range limitations. For me > it's not uncommon to have to take a trip 60 to 90 miles in one direction > and then back in the same day. It's also not uncommon to want to take a > trip and covers 300 or more miles in that day on the long trip. I do not > want to be limited to 250 miles before I have to stop for an extended > period to recharge. Personally that is a serious limit on my personal > freedom of movement. For instance it's not uncommon for spring or winter > breaks to drive from upstate NY to Florida in a single 24 hour period. When > you only have a week for vacation tag team driving to get there with a > carload of people is still cheaper than try to fly everyone. Also the > restriction of being able to haul larger loads similarly are a big > limitation. Having a 27 foot camper to load the family up and take a > vacation is not possible with the current availability of EV's out there. > > > > Let's also consider the other elephant in the roof, the actual cost of > the vehicles. New car prices are outrageous. Personally I like to buy used > vehicles with higher mileage and typically pay less than 10 grand(usually a > lot less) and pay cash for them. I haven't had a car payment in over 15 > years and do not want to be forced in to having to do so. With getting > closer to retirement age every year, I do not want to be forced in to > incurring debt. For me the goal is to be debt free, not have to fork over > 30 grand or more just to be able to continue to transport myself around. > People making decisions like no more gas engines for lawn mowers and such, > they tend to live in some sort of state of constant debt, if they are in > government they have no concept of not being in debt. Most will think I am > crazy for thinking this way because society just wants to accept that debt > is a necessary way of life. That debt for purchasing and converting to EV's > and getting away from fossil fuels is in my mind not being fairly > considered in the process. > > > > Thank you, > > Brian Webster > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews > > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 1:49 PM > > To: af@af.afmug.com > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers > > > > There are also a bunch of real life tests published on Youtube. Seems > > like everyone in the cold wanted to either brag or complain... > > > > On 2/14/22 09:56, li...@gogebicrange.net wrote: > >> Since a lot of you guys seem to have first hand experience with the EV’s > >> Ill ask. How do they do on range in cold environments? We have often > >> wondered how they heat the inside of the vehicle in -10F and how it > >> affects the range of the vehicle. Those temps are common for us in > >> January and February. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Brandon > >> > >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince > >> *Sent:* Monday, February 14, 2022 11:15 AM > >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com > >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers > >> > >> It's not thye electric motors that are at fault. Once the battery tech > >> gets sorted out, there will be no good reason to use dino-fuel. > >> > >> bp > >> > >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > >> > >> On 2/14/2022 9:11 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > >> > >> Sure, but efficiency isn't everything. Fortunately, EVs are also > >> better at torque than diesel and gasoline. > >> > >> Where they don't shine is range when actually working. > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> Mike Hammett > >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< > https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< > https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< > https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>< > https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>< > https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > >> > >> > >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> *From: *"Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> <mailto: > part15...@gmail.com> > >> *To: *af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > >> *Sent: *Monday, February 14, 2022 11:06:28 AM > >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers > >> > >> It's approximately 33 KWH of electricity is equivalent to 1 gallon > >> of gasoline (probably less for diesel), so EVs with 60-80 KWH > >> batteries are running a couple hundred miles (or more) on the rough > >> equivalent of < 3 gallons of gas. > >> > >> bp > >> > >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > >> > >> On 2/14/2022 8:20 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > >> > >> The funny thing is that while diesel has superior performance > to > >> gasoline in many ways, EVs have superior performance to diesel > >> in many ways. > >> > >> Kinda ironic... > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> Mike Hammett > >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< > https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< > https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< > https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>< > https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>< > https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > >> > >> > >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> *From: *"Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> > >> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > >> *To: *af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > >> *Sent: *Monday, February 14, 2022 9:46:36 AM > >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers > >> > >> It's called "rolling coal", and it is all the rage for people > >> who think EVs are the devil's spawn. > >> > >> bp > >> > >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > >> > >> On 2/14/2022 6:38 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote: > >> > >> In the past year I've observed that agressive driving seems > >> to be the norm now. More assholes, especially pickups > using > >> farm diesel (black-foul-smelling-smoke). I been thinking > of > >> investing in a stash of bumper stickers to stick on their > >> trucks that says "shoot me please". > >> > >> On 2/13/22 12:28, Steve Jones wrote: > >> > >> Its possible that with the lower threshold more folks > >> were able to be arrested before they couldgo fora > >> croaker cruise. > >> > >> Its more probable though that ride sharing grew during > >> that period and the generation of party drinkers used > it > >> more as a matter of trend. > >> > >> Drinking establishments being closed or otherwise > >> inaccessible due to the rona too probably playeda huge > >> role, like the seeming disappearance of flu. > >> > >> On Sun, Feb 13, 2022, 1:33 PM Chuck McCown via AF > >> <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote: > >> > >> During Covid, in Utah, there have been the highest > >> rate of deaths ever recorded due to car crashes. > >> > >> Meanwhile, at approximately the same time another > >> experiment was running. > >> > >> Late 2018 Utah lowered the blood alcohol level for > >> driving from .08 to .05%. > >> > >> Many, including myself, figured that there would > not > >> be a significant difference. > >> > >> But I also commented at the time that this one will > >> be easy to prove or disprove. > >> > >> Deaths and crashes linked to drunken driving > dropped > >> by 19.8% since the law took effect. I think one > >> could say that is statistically significant. Glad > I > >> was wrong. > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > >> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> < > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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