Weldong is one of those "entry level" gigs that comes at a great cost to the employer offering on the job training. Increases in material costs, increases in QC failures, increases on returns. 6 months at 15 bucks an hour to destroy a bunch of material becoming proficient at best is a more than fair compensation.
My neice (millenial) wants to rent one of my parents rentals thats got a bunch of repairs to be done from the last tenant. She wants to live rent free in exchange for doing the repairs. I told her she doesnt bring anything to the table. I tried explaining to her that trade for service means you bring the requisite knowlege to perform the service. She got hot and tried the "what because im a girl" I shot that down. Then she said she can learn from youtube. It went round and round with her not comprehending that learning from youtube is what you do in your own home, on your own dime. She didnt comprehend that the material costs will go up as she damages more than she fixes learning from youtube. She didnt comprehend that she doesnt posess the toolset to perform the tasks and would spend more on buying them than she would on rent (she planned on just using our tools, and damaging those). My folks are old, theyre doing the repairs themselves, its taking a long time. realistically we could hire it done and everything knocked out in a few days by a pro for the value of maybe two months rent. It will probably take them a few more months to get it done. The niece I think believes she could have no rent for like 6 months to do a few days professional work at a low quality standard. I always have done my best to teach my children to know both their value, and their place. These younger folks have no guage of value not do they comprehend their place. Its got a lot to do with the tools available to complete the underlying tasks. They master these iphones and other gadgets and think they are techs, yet they couldnt troubleshoot a hardware issue if their tits were in a press. These are the people who are going to be taking care of me as i age out of the workforce and it terrifies me. The underlying systems were built by what they call boomers, maintained by what they call boomers, and they will be operating them to maintain us that they call boomers when the systems begin to fail and they down have the worth to fix them. its a scary world out there On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 1:55 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > One of my millennial daughters, grown, married, trying to adult, lives > with her brother and his wife told me that I just don’t understand how hard > it is today compared to when I was younger. So I did a little comparison > for her: > > > My first paid job in 1976 was $2/hour. That would be about $10.70/hour > today. > > (I was an unpaid apprentice to a machinist in 1974, and slave labor on the > farm from 1960 until I escaped). > > My first skilled, formally trained, semi professional, utility lineman job > in 1979 paid $4.50/hour. > That would be about $18 today. > > My first home, single wide 10 x 50 mobile home cost $12,000 in 1982. Or > about $36K today. > > https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/744-S-1750-W-Vernal-UT-84078/2070550612_zpid/ > > So how is it people have it so much worse today? > > > > *From:* Jeff Broadwick - Lists > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 11:39 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange > > Too many parents want to be friends with their kids and not actually > parent. Good news is, if you do a good job of parenting, you’ll likely > have the opportunity out to become friends with your kids after they move > out. > > Jeff Broadwick > CTIconnect > 312-205-2519 Office > 574-220-7826 Cell > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > > On Feb 14, 2023, at 1:25 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.com> > wrote: > > > > Yeah, that’s a problem for sure. > > > > All the youth (and some adults) see online is prosperity and wealth and > entitlement. > > > > Your definition of existing just doesn’t even come to their minds. To use > a phrase, they literally don’t comprehend it. > > > > I was living happily in a one room apartment for $400 a month and eating > the same PB&J and soup for lunch/dinner on almost no monthly spend. > > I had an old futon bed that I had purchased in college as furniture. My > monthly output was focused on paying rent and a bit for food and my car. > > > > I was hungry for more, made my way by learning, taking what I could find > and working my way up. > > > > And during none of that did I think to myself, “This is shit, I am > entitled to more because I exist.” Lol > > > > My grown kids ask for very little and even then get told no all the time, > or have conditions. > > I worry about my younger kids that have spent a lot more time online. They > still know they get nothing as a default, but they are more entitled in > language and practice than my older kids. > > Society online in general isn’t doing anyone any favors. > > > > I mean some of the youtube crap they watch is just inane, and some of > these people just throw around money like it magically appeared to them out > of thin air without a care. > > There is no accountability or explanation. > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 10:37 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> > *Subject:* [AFMUG] FB Exchange > > > > I advertised for hiring yesterday, a no experience necessary, get paid to > learn MIG mild steel welding. PT/FT flexible hours. We hire 17 year > olds. I immediately got crap from this guy saying that the “young people > of today” cannot exist on less than $18/hour which is what he gets and he > works from home. > > > > Lots of people defended my $15/entry level, get paid to learn welding > position. > > He deleted his post then sent me this: > > > > Hello there, > > > > Our of respect for you because it wasn't my intent to cause tension, I've > deleted my comment on your posting. My only point was to emphasize that the > going rate for a lot of entry level jobs is much higher than $15 an hour. > Welding is a great skill and can open up great avenues in the future. > > > > However, The youth of today cannot live on $15 an hour so a lot of > candidates will not even walk through the door because other places even in > the field of welding pay higher to start. > > > > What I emphasized at my company starting at $18 is just one example. We > have people here that make well over $50 an hour because we operate on a > commission structure. But that $18 base is livable when a one bedroom is > $1000+ in tooele a month and depending on where you live it's as low as > $1600+ > > > > Again, never meant to offend so I am sorry for causing you any trouble. > > > > I replied: > > So you expect someone to walk from High School directly into a job where > they can have a nice home, car and things? Wow, without learning a trade, > profession or other skill? Our $15/hour people take home $2000/month. > Pretty sure someone can exist on that and the smart ones will have > roommates or live with their parents. And the smarter ones will quickly be > making more than $18/hour. We have exactly zero problems finding as many > workers as we need. So your opinion that "youth of today" cannot exist on > $15/hour is just that, unfounded opinion. I guess your definition of > "exist" is different than mine. You can exist by walking, riding a bicycle > or taking a bus to work. You can exist by eating home cooked meals and > making a home made sandwich for your lunch. You can exist by wearing > clothes from a thrift store. You don't need the latest iPhone and Netflix > to exist. Read a book. The struggle IS the journey and is what creates > grit and strong character. > > > > He replied and blocked me: > > Yeah Okay Boomer. I was reaching out to be nice but you clearly have no > idea what life is like for us today. I just bought my first house at 31 > because of how shit things are right now compared to when you were younger. > But thanks for proving my point by being an asshole about "my definition of > exist" > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > ------------------------------ > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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