You honestly should calm down Tyson. Acting like a buffoon. On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 10:01 AM Tyson Burris <t...@franklinisp.net> wrote:
> My son did it. Lives in Bloomington in a one bedroom. After utilities, he > is dropping just over 1K per month. > > > > Has 25K in the bank saved from working over the past 4-5 years. He is > buying a house next year. > > > > What is your excuse? The internet feeding it to you? > > > > *Tyson Burris, President* > *Internet Communications Inc.* > *739 Commerce Dr.* > *Franklin, IN 46131* > > *Office #* *317-738-0320 * > *Cell/Direct #* *317-412-1540 * > *Online: **www.surfici.net* <http://www.surfici.net> > > > > [image: ICI] > > *What can ICI do for you?* > > > *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Cameras > - Fiber - Towers - Infrastructure.* > > *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the* > *addressee shown. It contains information that is* > *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,* > *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by* > *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly* > *prohibited.* > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of * Ryan Ray > *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2023 12:46 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange > > > > Yeah, you guys. lol. > > > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 9:39 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > "If you're 22, you should be able to afford a 1br apartment on your own, > you shouldn't need roommates, you should expect that you can save 1k a > month for the future, maybe purchase a home by 28? You're going to need to > make more than $17 an hour. " > > > > > > Someone on the Internet is wrong... > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Ryan Ray" <ryan...@gmail.com> > *To: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@go-mtc.com> > *Cc: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > *Sent: *Tuesday, February 14, 2023 3:54:18 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange > > I think ages make a huge difference in a lot of this. If you're talking > about a 17 year old, you're still living at home, saving all your money, > trying to get out. Sure, $17 an hour would be amazing. > > If you're 22, you should be able to afford a 1br apartment on your own, > you shouldn't need roommates, you should expect that you can save 1k a > month for the future, maybe purchase a home by 28? You're going to need to > make more than $17 an hour. > > > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 1:10 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: > > Not sure I am getting your point. Young people frequently struggle when > starting out. The struggle is valuable. You get ahead by getting > educated, getting trained, learning skills people will pay you for. You do > not deserve anything but free air to breath and perhaps water if you live > in an area where it rains. You eat what you kill. > > > > In your example below you are not taking into account, those with half a > brain will have roomates with which to split all the rent and utilities. > That one move makes it go to having plenty of spending money. > > > > So what is it you want me to learn here? In 1979 milk was $1/gallon. It > is now $4.33. Same price adjusted for inflation ... > > > > I do not buy that the kids now-a-days have it any worse than I did. > > > > Cost of a big mac in 1979 was 95 cents. Today, $4.50, same price adjusted > for inflation... > > > > What do I need to learn here??? > > > > > > *From:* Ryan Ray > > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 1:58 PM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Cc:* Chuck McCown > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange > > > > Chuck, > > I'm going to assume you're not trying to cherry pick statistics and want > to learn and listen. > > Housing is only one part of the equation. Food, services, fuel, goods are > at all time highs. Rental markets are becoming unfeasible unless living > with roommates. I'm not sure where or how this mobile home fits in with the > work in your area. Is there work in the area for your daughter to earn $18 > an hour? > > Talent.com says that at $18 an hour, working for 40 hours a week, gets you > $2500 monthly net. > Going off these assumptions Cost of Living in Utah (2023) | SoFi > <https://www.sofi.com/cost-living-utah/> > > Rent: $1100 > Food (No Restaurants): $253 > > Utilities: $300 > > Gas?: $400 > > I think you yanks have things like health insurance. $100/mo? > > > > I haven't thought of everything, but you're already up to $2200/mo. You > don't get ahead because you're behind before you even start. > > Now take into account that the average home price in Utah is $500k and you > cherry picked some bottom of the barrel trailer. I can't tell if you're > being serious or not. > > > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 11:55 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> > wrote: > > One of my millennial daughters, grown, married, trying to adult, lives > with her brother and his wife told me that I just don’t understand how hard > it is today compared to when I was younger. So I did a little comparison > for her: > > > > > > My first paid job in 1976 was $2/hour. That would be about $10.70/hour > today. > > > > (I was an unpaid apprentice to a machinist in 1974, and slave labor on the > farm from 1960 until I escaped). > > > > My first skilled, formally trained, semi professional, utility lineman job > in 1979 paid $4.50/hour. > > That would be about $18 today. > > > > My first home, single wide 10 x 50 mobile home cost $12,000 in 1982. Or > about $36K today. > > > https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/744-S-1750-W-Vernal-UT-84078/2070550612_zpid/ > > > > So how is it people have it so much worse today? > > > > > > > > *From:* Jeff Broadwick - Lists > > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 11:39 AM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange > > > > Too many parents want to be friends with their kids and not actually > parent. Good news is, if you do a good job of parenting, you’ll likely > have the opportunity out to become friends with your kids after they move > out. > > Jeff Broadwick > > CTIconnect > > 312-205-2519 Office > > 574-220-7826 Cell > > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > > > > On Feb 14, 2023, at 1:25 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.com> > wrote: > > > > Yeah, that’s a problem for sure. > > > > All the youth (and some adults) see online is prosperity and wealth and > entitlement. > > > > Your definition of existing just doesn’t even come to their minds. To use > a phrase, they literally don’t comprehend it. > > > > I was living happily in a one room apartment for $400 a month and eating > the same PB&J and soup for lunch/dinner on almost no monthly spend. > > I had an old futon bed that I had purchased in college as furniture. My > monthly output was focused on paying rent and a bit for food and my car. > > > > I was hungry for more, made my way by learning, taking what I could find > and working my way up. > > > > And during none of that did I think to myself, “This is shit, I am > entitled to more because I exist.” Lol > > > > My grown kids ask for very little and even then get told no all the time, > or have conditions. > > I worry about my younger kids that have spent a lot more time online. They > still know they get nothing as a default, but they are more entitled in > language and practice than my older kids. > > Society online in general isn’t doing anyone any favors. > > > > I mean some of the youtube crap they watch is just inane, and some of > these people just throw around money like it magically appeared to them out > of thin air without a care. > > There is no accountability or explanation. > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 10:37 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> > *Subject:* [AFMUG] FB Exchange > > > > I advertised for hiring yesterday, a no experience necessary, get paid to > learn MIG mild steel welding. PT/FT flexible hours. We hire 17 year > olds. I immediately got crap from this guy saying that the “young people > of today” cannot exist on less than $18/hour which is what he gets and he > works from home. > > > > Lots of people defended my $15/entry level, get paid to learn welding > position. > > He deleted his post then sent me this: > > > > Hello there, > > > > Our of respect for you because it wasn't my intent to cause tension, I've > deleted my comment on your posting. My only point was to emphasize that the > going rate for a lot of entry level jobs is much higher than $15 an hour. > Welding is a great skill and can open up great avenues in the future. > > > > However, The youth of today cannot live on $15 an hour so a lot of > candidates will not even walk through the door because other places even in > the field of welding pay higher to start. > > > > What I emphasized at my company starting at $18 is just one example. We > have people here that make well over $50 an hour because we operate on a > commission structure. But that $18 base is livable when a one bedroom is > $1000+ in tooele a month and depending on where you live it's as low as > $1600+ > > > > Again, never meant to offend so I am sorry for causing you any trouble. > > > > I replied: > > So you expect someone to walk from High School directly into a job where > they can have a nice home, car and things? Wow, without learning a trade, > profession or other skill? Our $15/hour people take home $2000/month. > Pretty sure someone can exist on that and the smart ones will have > roommates or live with their parents. And the smarter ones will quickly be > making more than $18/hour. We have exactly zero problems finding as many > workers as we need. So your opinion that "youth of today" cannot exist on > $15/hour is just that, unfounded opinion. I guess your definition of > "exist" is different than mine. You can exist by walking, riding a bicycle > or taking a bus to work. You can exist by eating home cooked meals and > making a home made sandwich for your lunch. You can exist by wearing > clothes from a thrift store. You don't need the latest iPhone and Netflix > to exist. Read a book. The struggle IS the journey and is what creates > grit and strong character. > > > > He replied and blocked me: > > Yeah Okay Boomer. I was reaching out to be nice but you clearly have no > idea what life is like for us today. I just bought my first house at 31 > because of how shit things are right now compared to when you were younger. > But thanks for proving my point by being an asshole about "my definition of > exist" > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > ------------------------------ > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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