I didn't mean to come across as a hater. The 450 features they have given us are impressive, in my case a bit overwhelming. I feel like I just sat down in the cockpit of a big commercial airplane.
Everything you say is true, I just need some quiet time and some brain enhancer pills to wrap my head around all the options. I hope the money guys aren't leaning too heavily into "FWA is dead, gotta pivot quick to fiber". Yes, do new things if you have some advantages that will allow you to be successful, but you also have to be able to walk and chew gum. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 10:38 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I loved that stats were there and that documentation accurately described what they meant and what the knobs are for. I also always felt that Cambium was listening to the operators and trying to give us what we needed and wanted. If you can read, you can use the product without support, but in the few cases I did need support it was available and I didn't have to pay for it. They also never BS'd me about what the product could do, and they never failed to support a product for a reasonable amount of time..even the 320 which was kind of a dog. Telrad documentation would take a whole paragraph to tell you how to change an integer value and not ever tell you what it does. We also paid real money for support who couldn't help us, and certain people there made absurd claims about capabilities. Ubiquiti gives you what they give you and doesn't help you at all. You can try to get answers on the forum, but the signal to noise ratio on a support forum can be terrible. Alvarion VL was a decent product for it's time, but all their Wimax stuff was garbage. I'd actually take PMP320 with all of its idiosyncrasies over any Alvarion BreezeMax or whatever else. And the list of terrible PMP products is too long to get into. There must have been three dozen stupid WiFi things packaged up like they were something more awesome than just a stupid WiFi thing. I don't know what's up with Cambium haters. Did they actually use it and objectively compare it to the competition, or are they blinded by the desire to save a few dollars? Anyway...the short version of all that is that all I had to do to appreciate Cambium PMP was try someone else's crap for awhile. If the worst thing we have to complain about is that a feature shipped before a license key was on the market then that's not a bad product. -Adam From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 10:33 AM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature 450m and 450 in general has so many knobs you can tweak and stats to analyze it seems they should have an AI powered advisor in cnMaestro to help you optimize the settings. ---- Original Message ---- From: "Tyson Burris" Sent: 2/13/2024 9:23:06 AM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature Cambium is in a bit of scramble mode with everything going on and folks breathing down their neck. I fully expect this to be a free unlock at this point. Tyson Burris President & CEO Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-412-1540 (emergency/after-hours) 317-738-0320 (office) t...@franklinisp.net <mailto:t...@franklinisp.net> ??www.surfici.net Fixed Wireless Broadband - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Indoor/Oudoor Wifi - IP Cameras - Fiber - MDUs Active Member To The Following: <http://www.wispa.org/> WISPA <http://www.nbbc.coop/> NBBC Confidentiality Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No Binding Agreement: This email is not a binding agreement or contract of any kind, unless it specifically states otherwise and expressly refers to a duly authorized agreement signed by both parties. Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of mine alone and do not necessarily represent those of the company. If you have any doubts about the validity or enforceability of any agreement or arrangement discussed in this email, please consult with an attorney. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 10:19 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature Tough crowd. On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 9:09?AM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com <mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote: Turns out you are right, they haven't released the license key to distributors yet. I was looking at the P/N and price for the key to unlock MU-MIMO on a 450m Lite. My mistake. What is Cambium thinking, put the feature in a production release with a 30 day trial license, but not sell the key to use it beyond the 30 days? And how are customers supposed to decide if it's worth the price if they don't tell us the price? From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Tyson Burris Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 3:14 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature Correction to my comment. I can't see the benefit. Tyson Burris President & CEO Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-412-1540 (emergency/after-hours) 317-738-0320 (office) t...@franklinisp.net <mailto:t...@franklinisp.net> ??www.surfici.net <http://www.surfici.net> Fixed Wireless Broadband - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Indoor/Oudoor Wifi - IP Cameras - Fiber - MDUs Active Member To The Following: <http://www.wispa.org/> WISPA <http://www.nbbc.coop/> NBBC Confidentiality Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. 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From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 4:11 PM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature That's what my distributor has it listed for. ---- Original Message ---- From: "Tyson Burris" Sent: 2/8/2024 3:02:42 PM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I was told they are still talking about the final price. Either way I can see the benefit here if you have to give up some of the AP features to work. Tyson Burris President & CEO Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-412-1540 (emergency/after-hours) 317-738-0320 (office) t...@franklinisp.net <mailto:t...@franklinisp.net> ??www.surfici.net <http://www.surfici.net> Fixed Wireless Broadband - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Indoor/Oudoor Wifi - IP Cameras - Fiber - MDUs Active Member To The Following: <http://www.wispa.org/> WISPA <http://www.nbbc.coop/> NBBC Confidentiality Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No Binding Agreement: This email is not a binding agreement or contract of any kind, unless it specifically states otherwise and expressly refers to a duly authorized agreement signed by both parties. Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of mine alone and do not necessarily represent those of the company. If you have any doubts about the validity or enforceability of any agreement or arrangement discussed in this email, please consult with an attorney. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2024 12:00 PM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I think you know the answer, it's $2000 per AP. $2500 MSRP. I'd pay it if 3x and 4x modulations were suddenly 6x or 8x. But they're not. ---- Original Message ---- From: "Craig Schmaderer" Sent: 2/1/2024 10:40:30 AM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature $2000??? Please tell me that is not per Access Point? I could handle maybe that for all of them. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2024 9:58 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature This sector has a lot of long links, subs clustered in the middle of the sector, and several Ubiquiti WISPs in the same direction. So the uplink modulation is poorer than downlink. The SMs have narrow beams but the AP sees 90 degrees. The other case where we get uplink problems is in 3 GHz when Verizon lights up CBRS on a celltower, but we can (mostly) solve that by matching LTE timing. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of castarritt Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2024 9:33 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I haven't seen a 450M sector get bad uplink modulation rates without downlink getting trashed too unless it was caused by a misconfig on our end causing self interference. On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 9:26?AM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com <mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote: Has anyone else tried the interference cancellation feature in 22.2 FW? (Free 30 day trial but license key is $2000.) I tried it on what I thought was an ideal candidate sector, but my first impression is that it helps a little not a ton. 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