Yeah. Inline = HTML. Attachments can be done with vanilla mail.
bp On 9/18/2014 11:30 AM, James Howard via Af wrote:
Looks like attachments work. It's the inline images that are a problem. Paul's looking at it (and B&W tv). From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire....@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ray via Af Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE On Thursday, September 18, 2014, Ken Hohhof via Af <af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e> wrote:I just tried sending another test email with an inline image. It disappeared into some kind of email Bermuda Triangle. Of course the only way to send such an email is to use HTML format. But if I do that without the inline image, it just gets converted to plain text and sent out to the list. Kind of like watching a color program on an old monochrome TV. Discard chrominance, forward luminance. OK, how many people here other than Chuck have even seen a B&W TV? Remember the movie Pleasantville? -----Original Message----- From: Bill Prince via Af Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:52 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE That would be Gino (off the top of my head). Anyone heard from Gino in the last few days? bp On 9/18/2014 10:25 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:At least your email came through, minus the image. When I have tried to send emails with inline images, the whole email has just silently disappeared into the void. I was wondering what was going to happen with the people who have images (like logos) in their signatures. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Prince via Af Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:06 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE Friggin, fraggin no HTML got me again... bp On 9/18/2014 9:44 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:bp On 9/18/2014 8:21 AM, James Howard via Af wrote:I don't want a job! I'd like to retire...... unfortunately the lottery ticket I bought this weekend didn't pan out so I'm kind of stuck. I think Florida is a nice place to visit but I can't see myself living there. Besides, I don't know how far down your sand goes but there are lots of winters when we have WAY more than 2 feet of snow! The winter before last I got the plow truck stuck when I was plowing our front sidewalk. The snow was over the windows on both sides of the truck and I had a pile about 5 feet high in front that I was trying to push. You just can't have that kind of fun on sand! From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire....@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:10 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE James, OK, you responded, thus you must want a job with PDMNet / Florida Broadband ! The pay isn't great, but the work hours are long :) And, when most people have two feet of snow, we have two feet in the sand on the beach :) -----Original Message----- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet....@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:06 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE There you go telling us what to do again! From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire....@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:51 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE IGNORE - unless you want a job -----Original Message----- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet....@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:06 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e><mailto: af@afmug.com%3e><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e%3e> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE I was thinking if the connection is using TLS, then connection caching wouldn't work anyway. But it seems I was misreading that Postfix document, it seems to say Postfix would not re-use the connection, but another MTA with a different software architecture maybe could. -----Original Message----- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:57 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e><mailto: af@afmug.com%3e><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e%3e> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE Yes, TLS, and it has been this way since like.. ever. More years than I can remember anyway. What is/was Beehive running on, Qmail? Looking through my logs, coming from Beehive it was TLS as well. Coming from WISPA is TLS, too. What MTA is WISPA running? The Postfix TLS/connection caching thing could be the problem. Maybe they're trying to hold the session open to deliver more messages? That seems like a Postfix problem to me. But that doesn't make sense because in all (normal) instances (WISPA, Beehive AF, Amazon AF), messages are coming in for each recipient (me and Mike are on the same lists) separately. Separate message ID and SMTP session for each recipient per message. The only thing different with Amazon is they seem to "forget" to send a QUIT once in a while which Exim on my end says violates RFC, so whichever Amazon outbound MX it happens to be at the moment gets connection rate limited for bad commands. I see tons and tons of connection rate limiting 'because of notquit: command-timeout' in my log all from obvious spam hosts, besides the Amazon SES hosts anyway. So I do not want to ignore bad commands for obvious reasons. I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong. But other messages for other Amazon services is doing the same thing. It's not just this list. It's Amazon. Maybe they're dropping the connection early without sending a QUIT because they are configured for impatience? I don't know. On 9/17/2014 5:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:George, are the SMTP connections to your mailserver using TLS? The reason I ask has to do with SMTP connection caching. http://www.postfix.org/CONNECTION_CACHE_README.html -----Original Message----- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 5:34 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e><mailto: af@afmug.com%3e><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e%3e> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE In my case, it's not exactly greylisting, but something is happening on Amazon's end that causing them to terminate SMTP sessions too early or something like that. Overloading perhaps? Them not sending QUIT seems to be the issue. RFCs say that's how you end a session. So whatever, delayed. Meh. I'm not changing my end because we already get enough crap. And because this is Exim & SpamAssassin on cPanel/WHM, almost everything happens at the initial SMTP connection: RBL checks, host rate limit checks, etc. As I said before, this wasn't happening when AF was on Beehive's servers and it's not happening with the WISPA lists. I'm not trying to be bitchy or nitpicky, just trying to help Paul and Curtis understand what's happening from my POV. On 9/17/2014 5:20 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:Received here at 11:59:41. Jay, I would look for something specific to your situation. Either Amazon just doesn't like you, or if you are doing greylisting, I would look at that as a possible cause. Greylisting defers delivery on purpose, forces the sending MTA to queue the message, and usually relies on the next attempt looking exactly the same including source IP. Amazon may not use the same source IP, it may come from a pool of MTAs. Big systems that do greylisting may incorporate a mechanism to learn what IP ranges belong to the same organization, but you may not have that level of sophistication. Or probably I'm completely out in left field, but I can't think why I would get every single email within a second or so, yet yours are being delayed hours. My mailserver is on a Rube Goldberg connection due to a previous storm (it's at my house on an EoIP tunnel over AT&T U-Verse), so it's not like I have a particularly speedy setup. -----Original Message----- From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:12 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e><mailto: af@afmug.com%3e><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e%3e> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE written 11:59 am , received 3:22 pm (Fyi) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mathew Howard via Af To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e><mailto: af@afmug.com%3e><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e%3e> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE I don't like fried pickles. ________________________________________ From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com><mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com><mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com%3e><mailto:<mailto:%0b>>>>>>> af-boun...@afmug.com><mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com%3e><mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com%3e><mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com%3e%3e>]on behalf of James Howard via Af [af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e><mailto:<mailto:%0b>>>>>>> af@afmug.com%3e><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e%3e>]Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:30 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e><mailto:af@afmug.com><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e><mailto: af@afmug.com%3e><mailto:af@afmug.com%3e%3e> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TEST - IGNORE It seems to be bordering on libelous for someone to accuse us of not being able to stay on topic. 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