Effort (by Toyota, etc. and national labs) does not equate to success. 

Chuck
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> On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:06 AM, Chuck McCown via Af <af@afmug.com> wrote:
> 
> The guy that originally came up with the device and sold several 1MW hot 
> water generators built into conex containers has sold to a US company called 
> Industrial Heat LLC.  I think they are in the money raising phase.  His 
> former partners have formed a new company to do the same.  There is an 
> Australian company that has been following parallel development for years as 
> well as a US company that has a different twist on the idea.  Not to mention 
> efforts of Toyota, Honda and Lawrence Livermore. 
>  
> From: Kade Sullivan via Af
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:00 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Booyah, I still believe
>  
> You cant get people to buy something without proof it's legit.  Of course 
> they need a third party to validate.  They would need a bunch of cash to make 
> a big enough reactor for it to actually be useful.  
>  
> You can't just *do* things. It takes time/resources/money, and those dont 
> come along with out validation.
>  
> Not that I'm arguing the point that it's legit or not, as I have no knowledge 
> of the subject.  I'd have to have it independently verified to offer my 
> opinion :D
>  
>> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Chuck Bartosch via Af <af@afmug.com> wrote:
>> ...and for years it's been BS. Can you imagine how rich these guys would 
>> already be if it were real? If it were true, you really wouldn't need a 
>> third party to validate. Just do it and be insanely wealthy. 
>> 
>>  
>> Chuck
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 13, 2014, at 9:46 AM, Chuck McCown via Af <af@afmug.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Been following this for years.  This is the best paper yet. 
>>>  
>>> From: Kade Sullivan via Af
>>> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 7:44 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Booyah, I still believe
>>>  
>>> 1 gram of fuel produced 1.5 MEGAWATTS of power over 32 days?  Am I reading 
>>> that right?
>>>  
>>> Holy shit!
>>>  
>>>> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Chuck McCown via Af <af@afmug.com> wrote:
>>>> http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/191754-cold-fusion-reactor-verified-by-third-party-researchers-seems-to-have-1-million-times-the-energy-density-of-gasoline
> 
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