That's pretty close, probably even good enough!
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies via Af" <af@afmug.com> To: "Mike Hammett via Af" <af@afmug.com> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 9:32:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. Mike, something like this... -- Best regards, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.MyakkaTech.com Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL Please Donate at http://main.acsevents.org/site/TR/RelayForLife/RFLFY12FL?team_id=1030009&pg=team&fr_id=37555 ------ Thursday, December 11, 2014, 1:56:08 PM, you wrote: MHvA> I don't care about the remote side. Locally. Who is using MHvA> it? The Samsung TV, the XBox, an iPhone, etc. How much is that MHvA> device using right now. I don't care what is being moved, just MHvA> THAT it is being moved. MHvA> ----- MHvA> Mike Hammett MHvA> Intelligent Computing Solutions MHvA> http://www.ics-il.com MHvA> From: "Ken Hohhof via Af" <af@afmug.com> MHvA> To: af@afmug.com MHvA> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 12:46:47 PM MHvA> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. MHvA> Not that simple, most CDNs donￜt even have reverse DNS, MHvA> and even if they do, you have to know that 1e100.net is Google MHvA> or llnw.net is Limelight Networks.ￜ But seriously, reverse DNS MHvA> is becoming useless on the Internet.ￜ Only hope is to look up MHvA> who the IP block is allocated to.ￜ Iￜm also seeing a lot of CDNs MHvA> open anywhere from 4-10 TCP connections, and not just different MHvA> port numbers, they can be all different IP addresses for one MHvA> stream.ￜ It would take a fair bit of smarts to do more than MHvA> identify Susieￜs iPad.ￜ Even doing a manual analysis, I give up, MHvA> how am I to know what content is coming from Level3 or AWS MHvA> Cloudfront?ￜ Itￜs like knowing a customer went to a certain MHvA> grocery store, you donￜt know if they bought milk or orange MHvA> juice, much less what brand. MHvA> ￜ MHvA> Now if Procera would provide a probe that goes on a MHvA> Mikrotik SOHO router, pulls the info back, analyzes it maybe MHvA> once a minute, and then makes the information available to the MHvA> end customer via a webpage with login, they would really have MHvA> something.ￜ Not sure you could cost justify it though. MHvA> ￜ MHvA> ￜ MHvA> From:Mike Hammett via Af MHvA> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 12:06 PM MHvA> To:af@afmug.com MHvA> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. MHvA> ￜ MHvA> That's a good first step, but I'd like it to display "Top MHvA> Hosts" or something like that where it does a name lookup (DNS, MHvA> SNMP, etc.) and aggregates the top ten things in torch by host? MHvA> Right now "Susie's-iPad" is using |---this---| much. Go MHvA> tell her to do her homework. Take the iPad away. MHvA> ----- MHvA> Mike Hammett MHvA> Intelligent Computing Solutions MHvA> http://www.ics-il.com MHvA> From: "Josh Reynolds via Af" <af@afmug.com> MHvA> To: af@afmug.com MHvA> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 12:02:49 PM MHvA> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. MHvA> That's the only reason I like the LCD on the RB2011. MHvA> I am currently using several as demarcs for commercial MHvA> customers. I have the touchscreen portion disabled and locked to MHvA> showing the wan port throughout. MHvA> josh reynolds :: chief information officer MHvA> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com MHvA> On 12/11/2014 07:06 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: MHvA> We need tools to allow the customer to see what is MHvA> happening in their house. Call support. Your service is slow? MHvA> What does your XYZ utility say is happening now? MHvA> ----- MHvA> Mike Hammett MHvA> Intelligent Computing Solutions MHvA> http://www.ics-il.com MHvA> From: "Ken Hohhof via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com MHvA> To: af@afmug.com MHvA> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:29:05 AM MHvA> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. MHvA> I donￜt disagree, but it presents some marketing and tech MHvA> support issues dealing with customers. MHvA> ￜ MHvA> If 4K streaming requires 25M as Netflix says, thatￜs MHvA> around 15 times what SD requires and 6 times what HD (720p) MHvA> requires.ￜ I donￜt think customers think of it that way, and MHvA> they certainly donￜt want to pay 6 or 15 times as much, more MHvA> like 1.5X or 2X if anything. MHvA> ￜ MHvA> Add this to the trend of having 2, 3, 5 or more streams MHvA> going at once and in their head itￜs a binary thing, can I MHvA> stream on your service or canￜt I?ￜ As someone posted the MHvA> other day, 6M does not mean 6M per device. MHvA> ￜ MHvA> I already get a fair amount of calls from people either MHvA> watching Netflix while others in the house are watching MHvA> Youtube, or they are watching streams on their Apple TV or via MHvA> Amazon or Hulu that take more bandwidth than Netflix.ￜ In some MHvA> cases I think those services are optimized for download and MHvA> watch later rather than live streaming. MHvA> ￜ MHvA> Youￜd think people would observe Netflix works but Vudu MHvA> doesnￜt, and blame it on the streaming service.ￜ But MHvA> everything these days is ￜmy Internet is slowￜ.ￜ I had someone MHvA> yesterday who had managed to both turn off WiFi on their MHvA> router and unplug the Internet cable, but the reported problem MHvA> was ￜmy Internet is slowￜ. MHvA> ￜ MHvA> Add in the binary choice ￜcan I stream or canￜt Iￜ, and I MHvA> think we need some really good talking points and phone MHvA> support scripts to explain to people why they need to upgrade MHvA> to a higher more expensive plan, rather than saying I used to MHvA> be able to stream Netflix SD, now I canￜt stream 4K, you need to MHvA> send someone out to fix my Internet connection, it doesnￜt MHvA> work like it used to, Iￜm not getting what Iￜm paying for. MHvA> ￜ MHvA> As far as pricing, my rule of thumb is price goes up as MHvA> the square root of bandwidth, so 2X speed is around 1.4X MHvA> price.ￜ But that would make 15X speed around 4X price, which I MHvA> think is fair, but customers will think is outrageous.ￜ From MHvA> their perspective, 4K is incrementally better looking than SD, MHvA> plus everyone knows additional bandwidth costs ISPs next to MHvA> nothing. MHvA> ￜ MHvA> This is gonna take some slick marketing. MHvA> ￜ MHvA> ￜ MHvA> From:Rory Conaway via Af MHvA> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:59 AM MHvA> To:af@afmug.com MHvA> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. MHvA> ￜ MHvA> Iￜm looking at this as the reason to raise prices.ￜ I MHvA> donￜt see a downside but I donￜt have towers. MHvA> ￜ MHvA> Rory MHvA> ￜ MHvA> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af MHvA> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 7:24 AM MHvA> To:af@afmug.com MHvA> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. MHvA> ￜ MHvA> You boys are probably still slapping the side of the TV MHvA> to get the picture to straighten up, right? MHvA> ￜ MHvA> From:CBB - Jay Fuller via Af MHvA> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 2:45 AM MHvA> To:af@afmug.com MHvA> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. MHvA> ￜ MHvA> ￜ MHvA> i assume you no one here in alabama (except us techies) MHvA> knows what 4ktv is.ￜ i honestly don't even... MHvA> ￜ MHvA> ----- Original Message ----- MHvA> From:Ryan Ghering via Af MHvA> To:af@afmug.com MHvA> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:36 AM MHvA> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming4Know. MHvA> ￜ MHvA> It's especially worrisome with Newegg and Tiger MHvA> selling cheap off brand 4K's under 500 bucks. And Roku is MHvA> starting a big sale this week. MHvA> I've already had calls this morning if customers MHvA> current bandwidth will stream 4k. NOPE sorry.. Then I tell MHvA> them what package we do offer that will support it and they MHvA> freek out. Like I'm gona give bandwidth away for free. GEEZ MHvA> ￜ MHvA> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, That One Guy via Af <af@afmug.com> wrote: MHvA> This is going to make for an ugly christmas season. MHvA> If we had customer service who was firm it wouldnt be MHvA> an issue "we dont offer that speed currently" MHvA> but instead, the customers on 900 will be the ones MHvA> who get the tv, and the subscription and call in, and CS MHvA> will keep saying, well isnt there anything we can do for MHvA> this guy in the middle of the forrest with the 300 foot cable MHvA> run? and Ill have to go home and punch one of my children, MHvA> probably the boy, Im kind of afraid of the girl. MHvA> ￜ MHvA> ￜ MHvA> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af <af@afmug.com> wrote: MHvA> A quick Google search comes up with Audials and MHvA> Playlater.ￜ It does not appear to be rocket science. MHvA> ￜ MHvA> From: Jason McKemie via Af MHvA> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:18 PM MHvA> To: af@afmug.com MHvA> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming 4Know. MHvA> ￜ MHvA> I'd think if someone could figure out a way to get MHvA> the movies from RAM, they could also figure out a way to MHvA> capture them from a stream. MHvA> ￜ MHvA> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Travis Johnson via Af <af@afmug.com> wrote: MHvA> Because then people could "save" the movies in RAM, MHvA> and someone would figure out a way to be able to download MHvA> them and put them on the Internet for free. MHvA> It's a licensing issue... that's why "streaming" is OK. MHvA> Travis MHvA> On 12/9/2014 7:00 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: MHvA> That 187MB translates to only about 11.25 GB per MHvA> hour.ￜ Why not stick in a 32GB memory and be done?ￜ That MHvA> would be almost 3 hours of buffer. MHvA> -- MHvA> bp MHvA> <part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com> MHvA> ￜ MHvA> On 12/9/2014 4:50 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote: MHvA> It's really too bad that the devices that support MHvA> all these streaming services can't have a larger buffer. MHvA> I'm sure it's part of their licensing deals, but if they MHvA> could buffer 60 seconds of stream (at any quality), they would MHvA> have much fewer support calls for streaming issues, etc. MHvA> Using Netflix's 25Mbps for 4k, that works out to MHvA> 187.5MB of storage space. At current RAM prices, you can MHvA> buy a 256MB module for $15 full retail... so places like MHvA> Samsung can probably buy them in quantity for less than $2. MHvA> Seems like it would be worth it to pay an extra $10 for a MHvA> TV/DVD/PS4/Wii-U device that could handle 60 seconds of MHvA> video. MHvA> Travis MHvA> On 12/9/2014 5:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af wrote: MHvA> Thatￜs pretty cool. MHvA> ￜ MHvA> You can do 4k direct from Youtube. MHvA> ￜ MHvA> Several of the ones Iￜve tested are sustained around 20-30Mbps. MHvA> ￜ MHvA> But on my network it tends to burst to 90Mbps MHvA> then sit around for a while, then burst back to 90Mbps. MHvA> ￜ MHvA> I think the 4k will require a lot of MHvA> optimizations before it works on the built in TVￜs. MHvA> ￜ MHvA> ￜ MHvA> ￜ MHvA> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson via Af MHvA> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 5:12 PM MHvA> To:af@afmug.com MHvA> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our MHvA> bandwidth. Amazon streaming 4K now. MHvA> ￜ MHvA> Lovely MHvA> ￜ MHvA> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering via Af MHvA> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:38 PM MHvA> To:af@afmug.com MHvA> Subject: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our MHvA> bandwidth. Amazon streaming 4K now. MHvA> ￜ MHvA> http://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-starts-4k-uhd-streams/ MHvA> ￜ MHvA> -- MHvA> Ryan Ghering MHvA> Network Operations - Plains.Net MHvA> Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 MHvA> ￜ MHvA> ￜ MHvA> ￜ MHvA> ￜ MHvA> ￜ MHvA> -- MHvA> All parts should go together without forcing. 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