I drive an SUV that can hold 5 people (and some stuff), 99% of the time there’s 
just me (and some stuff).  I’m not about to trade it in on a Smart Car or a 
G-Wiz.

Look at it this way, climb once, put up sectors, never have to do a forklift 
upgrade.  And you are prepared if every one of those 15 subscribers wants to 
stream the Super Bowl in HD at 5 Mbps.  Or if 5 of them want to stream 4K video 
at 15 Mbps.  Or you can use CPE off the APs instead of backhauls for several 
micropops.  Having too much capacity is an opportunity not a problem, if the 
equipment is cheap enough.


From: John Woodfield 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 7:20 PM
To: [email protected] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Higher Gain 5g Dual-Pol Omnis

Not to beat it to death but I'm looking at supposedly having the ability of 
putting 75 customers on an AP, any cost difference to go sectorized seems 
foolish if I am looking at a maximum of 15 customers in these instances. Are 
the ePMP 120 deg sectors really 120 or are they more like the 90 degree of the 
120 degree Ubiquiti?







John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937



-----Original Message-----
From: "Gino Villarini" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 2:10pm
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Higher Gain 5g Dual-Pol Omnis



Also
You can start with non gps radios (3 120 deg sectors $750 aprox total) them 
move to gps sync as needed
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com   
@aeronetpr
From: Ken Hohhof <[email protected]>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 1:58 PM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Higher Gain 5g Dual-Pol Omnis
I have 2 towers with 450 and an omni for that reason.  At the lower price point 
of ePMP equipment, I think you might be able to justify sectors at 15 subs.  
Depends on ARPU and whether the additional range would increase the subscriber 
count.  With the ability to GPS sync, you only need 2x the spectrum for 4x the 
capacity.


From: John Woodfield
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 11:44 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Higher Gain 5g Dual-Pol Omnis

Same thing here in terms of range. ePMP with Omni = 2-3 miles. It works for low 
range areas but its tough to justify sectorizing with 15 customers on a  
tower...







John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937



-----Original Message-----
From: "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 12:08pm
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Higher Gain 5g Dual-Pol Omnis



I think that’s unlikely.  The highest you usually see in a 90 degree sector is 
maybe 17-18 dBi.  What you gain in horizontal coverage, you give up in either 
gain or vertical beamwidth, and you really don’t want narrower vertical than 
the 17 dBi sectors.  So for 4x the horizontal coverage, you would expect to 
give up about 6 dB of gain, so 13 dBi is already impressive.  But it is also 
important to look at the pattern for an omni, some of them have 3 dB or more of 
variation with azimuth, so an 11 dBi antenna with a nice circular pattern might 
be just as good as a 13 dBi with an ugly pattern.  Different models may also 
have electrical downtilt, maybe null fill although that seems hard to find in 5 
GHz omnis.  In general I have not been impressed with any of the 5 GHz dual pol 
omnis I have tried, they work, but range is nothing to write home about.


From: John Woodfield
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:16 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AFMUG] Higher Gain 5g Dual-Pol Omnis

Does anyone make a 5ghz dual-pol omni with higher gain than 13dbi?







John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937

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