My 2011 at home is plagued with negotiation issues as well.  It's about to
get thrown in the trash.

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote:

> It's hard enough to get them to do modern or forward looking things, much
> less 10 meg things.
>
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> *From: *"Forrest Christian (List Account)" <[email protected]>
> *To: *"af" <[email protected]>
> *Sent: *Monday, January 26, 2015 4:19:52 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Forrest's Monday Rant - MikroTik Ethernet Funkyness
>
>
> As many of you have heard, I've had a bit of a irritation for quite some
> time about Mikrotik's seeming inability to consistently wire their Ethernet
> ports correctly for 10mb/s operation - specifically paying attention to the
> correct *polarity* of the wires in the Ethernet pairs.  This wreaks havoc
> with devices which need the correct polarity to work, such as my
> SiteMonitor Base II's.   For instance, every other switchport on the
> RB250GS Ethernet switch doesn't work.   I don't remember if it's 1 3 and 5
> which doesn't work, or if it's 2 and 4, but it is definitely every other
> one.   Swapping the wires in one of the pairs fixes the problem, so I'm
> sure that's the cause.
>
> I've tried over the years to get MikroTik to care enough to even
> acknowledge the issue.   Of course, the problem isn't their lack of
> compliance with the standard, but instead it must be my problem instead, so
> I've resolved to just dealing with the occasional need to train a customer
> to try a different port.
>
> I should note that as far as I can tell, this isn't a common problem with
> other switch vendors.   In fact, I don't think I have a single non-MikroTik
> device in my possession which doesn't work with the standard-complying
> 10Mb/s Ethernet port in the base unit - and I have quite a variety that
> I've tried.  Not sure how MikroTik is so good at getting this
> not-very-consistently wrong, and everyone else seems to almost always get
> it right.
>
> But, that's not really my rant.  It just provides the background.
>
> Over the last year or so I've slowly put together the internal network at
> home and at PacketFlux out of MikroTik devices.  Quite frankly, they have a
> feature set I appreciate, and I can generally overlook the issues, but
> they're starting to get on my nerves, the most recent ones being:
>
> * Routerboard 850Gx2 doesn't show master/slave configuration options in
> webfig (ok this one is minor).
>
> * That same routerboard 850Gx2, won't link with a 10Mb/s device at all
> unless you turn *off* autonegotiation and hard code it 10Mbs.   Well,
> except when you try to replicate it later, in which case it works fine with
> autonegotiation on.   Fine, be that way.   Well, until hours later it
> decides to not link with that exact same 10Mb/s device and you have to set
> it back to not negotiate.   Fortunately, hardcoding the speed seems to
> always work so I'm leaving it that way.
>
> * Disabling advertising speeds seems to be generally non-functional on
> some devices.   Want to negotiate at only 10/100, so turn off 1000M
> checkboxes?   Fine, except the damn thing still autonegotiates at 1000M.
>
> And what really set me off this weekend:
>
> Remember that RB250GS?   Well, I recently upgraded my main
> development/desktop computer (much faster now, thanks), but am still moving
> things off my old one.   So I want it up to be able to VNC into it.   In
> addition, I have a newly installed Linux machine here as well.  The
> physical hardware for both of these devices are Dell workstations from
> about the same time period.   They both have 10/100 Ethernet cards which
> have been autonegotiating at 100Mb/s with when plugged into a rb2011 (which
> has it's own unique issues as well).
>
> So this weekend, I decide to move these things off the top of the r&d
> bench to under it.   I decide to install that RB250GS under the bench as
> well to plug them into and give me a couple more spare ports, and so I get
> it plugged in and linked up to another MikroTik (amazingly this link works
> just fine), and then hook both dell machines (The Win7 one and the Linux
> one) to the RB250GS.
>
> A few hours later, I copy some stuff from the old Win7 box to my new
> one.   Many gigs of stuff to be specific - something like 40GB or
> thereabouts.    Windows is nicely telling me that it's going to take 'more
> than a day' and that I'm only transferring at 1MB/s (yeah 10Mb/s).   WTF?
>
> So I get digging.  The (@#*$ 250GS is only linking at 10Mb/s.  Check
> the other machine: 10Mb/s also.  Fine. Negotiation issue.   Go in, make
> sure that the port is enabled for 100Mb/s.   Yep.  Turn off auto, force it
> to 100Mbs - do the same on the computer end.   Links up at 100Mb/s, Yay!
>
> Go back, look at the transfer speed.   It's gone DOWN?   How is that even
> possible?  Oh, yeah the fact that the thing is throwing errors at 100Mbs.
> Swap cables.  Swap Ports.  Still no go.   Finally grab the end of the cable
> which is plugged into the 250GS and plug it into a spare port on the
> RB850Gx2 and it works.  100Mb/s, auto negotiate, transfer speeds of 10Mb/s
> between the computers.  Things transfer just fine.
>
> And then... as a final straw, I get a response to a trouble ticket from a
> customer complaining that they can't get a link with a RB493AH running
> latish code on any port.  No matter what the setting for negotiation is.
>
> Why is this even close to acceptable for a manufacturer who should be able
> to catch this stuff?
>
> -forrest
>
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