I think it takes less new hardware and less expensive hardware.  If you have a 
flat network, you are almost certainly using switches and many switches will 
support VLANs.  So nothing to buy there.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridgednetworktorouted.

Right.  Flat and bridged are two different things.  If you are bridging VLANs 
all over the place, that doesn't really qualify as flat.

I might argue that bridging VLANs might be a bit more complicated to manage, 
but I don't really know; I've never tried it.

Routing works for me.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 3/9/2015 8:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Yeah, I should have said flat network.  I think many of us had a flat bridged 
network when we first started.  

  From: Jeremy 
  Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:29 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged 
networktorouted.

  I am one of those people.  We run a fully bridged network with segmented 
VLANs to each AP.  We also prune the VLANs over each backhaul link so the 
packets only go where they are supposed to.  This segments the broadcast domain 
and resolves the majority of the issues that a bridged network can suffer from. 
 A bridged network doesn't have to be a 'flat' network.  

  On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:23 AM, That One Guy <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

    not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network 
and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost 
effective solution for you as well. 

    I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from 
under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network 
sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your 
routers on your desk before you begin

    On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

      Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point.
      A bridged WISP is asking for trouble.  

      How many APs and how many sites?  Are the switches at the sites capable 
of supporting VLANs?  That is where I would start.  Either that or replacing 
the switches with routers.  Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via 
managed switches would be my preference.  

      From: Brandon Yuchasz 
      Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM
      To: af@afmug.com 
      Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network 
torouted.

      I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This 
is something I don’t have a lot of background in but I also don’t want to end 
the process having a system I can’t fix so I will need someone that is willing 
to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how the process 
works in regards to time I am hoping to spend an hour a week working over the 
phone and through a remote desktop app. 



      My main reasons for working on this now are I need to see bandwidth use 
per SM, per AP, and have better ways of tracking both long term. We are just to 
blind right now and starting to really grow again I need to get it under 
control now before we get to large.



      I am open to suggestions on routers but already had purchased microtik 
and butches scripts which after trying and failing to get it to work never 
implemented. 



      Contact me off list bran...@gogebicrange.net if you can help.



      Thanks,

      Brandon Yuchasz

      GogebicRange.net





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