Nice, but pretty much the same as OSPF or anything else besides actual BGP in 
the scenario below.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 7:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Providing public routed IPs to customers

MPLS would re-route the traffic.


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From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 4:46:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Providing public routed IPs to customers
Which isn’t really good for redundancy on fixed IP assignments (whether they be 
DHCP or PPPoE) because a break in the traffic near the site would require a 
redundant connection near the site to carry the minimal /24 or larger public 
block.

Or you resort to temporary NAT, or re-assignment.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 11:28 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Providing public routed IPs to customers

Terminating PPPoE at the tower doesn't really give you much advantage over DHCP 
as far as using limited IP space more efficiently though, you're still going to 
have to assign a subnet to each tower, more or less the same as you would with 
DHCP. if the goal is to use limited IP space more efficiently, you really need 
to centralize PPPoE so you can use the same IP pool for everything.

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Mike Hammett 
<af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Just enable the PPPoE server on the routers already at your towers.


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To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 11:06:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Providing public routed IPs to customers
PPPoE auth is broadcast. This will require a L2 path back to you PPPoE server 
(BRAS). This is a deal breaker for many. Overhead is minimal. There will be a 
some broadcast chatter on your L2 subnet. This can be filtered a number of ways 
and usually not a concern.

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:05 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
pppoe has been discussed quite often as a solution for limited IP space. Could 
someone give a breakdown of the required components from the edge of the 
network to the customer and the required topology?
My understanding, which is probably wrong, is a client on the network connects, 
the device gets an IP, normally DHCP that can communicate all the way back to 
the pppoe server (what exactly is this)
The credentials are provided and a pppoe session is established, all traffic 
flows through the pppoe tunnel and exits at the edge of the network
the tunnel is essentially a vpn tunnel? there are overheads that need to be 
accounted for?
Where is the public IP actually at? is it assigned as essentially a /32 at the 
customer end of the tunnel?

How does the client device know where the pppoe server is, is this provided in 
the DHCP response?

I know my understanding of this is probably totally way off, but I would love 
to know more, accurately

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 7:00 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
<li...@packetflux.com<mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:

Which is why we played with it.  In the end, it seemed that the amount of 
support hassles with pppoe wasn't worth the hassle.   But, this was a while ago 
and pppoe has grown up a lot, so my opinion is probably not valid anymore.
On Apr 15, 2015 5:27 AM, "Mike Hammett" 
<af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
There are reasons to have PPPoE other than IP address assignment.


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Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 3:02:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Providing public routed IPs to customers

(WISP HAT ON)
We have a subnet (or a couple of subnets, as sites have grown) at each tower, 
and an public IP statically assigned to each customer.  The radio gets a 
managment address out of 172.[16-31].x.x which corresponds to the public IP 
address.
No DHCP anywhere, no PPPoE.
But again, we have an /18 and a /19 assigned to us from back before NAT really 
existed and DHCP implementations from the early '90's kinda sucked.   We've 
played with PPPoE and DHCP, but kinda have been spoiled by the simplicity and 
reliability of a statically numbered network.
-forrest

On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 6:20 PM, Josh Reynolds 
<j...@spitwspots.com<mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>> wrote:
For those of you currently providing public/routed ips to customers? What is 
your topology like and delivery method?

Looking at doing a few things, have considered a few options, and wanted to 
look out there and see what other people are doing.

Thanks

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