Yes and that’s quite impressive that they got the deals … but if you were there and used the wifi you wouldn’t feel the same – it sucked. But Ruckus might be getting the short end of the stick on that as so did cellular and everything else there (Brazil in particular).
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 4:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI I think Ruckus was used exclusively in the stadiums for the world cup. On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote: Depends on where I am ;) Intercontinental, Holiday Inn typically…. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 2:42 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI You must be staying in nicer hotels than I normally do if they can afford Aruba ;-) On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote: For me it’s not the IBM analogy .. I know that analogy too well :) My $$$job we do a lot of things differently … of course we stick with some stuff that is well proven too (such as Juniper and Cisco in the network side of things). There are probably several thousand vendors of wifi gear out there – just a speculative guess. When it comes to major players, many of these names don’t get mentioned in discussions that I participate in. It’s not that I’ve never heard of Ruckus for example – I just have never seen it in action and I am always skeptical of what marketing brochures and websites say – proven many vendors wrong and broken a lot of systems. Compare that to Juniper, Cisco, or even Aruba – see them all over the place in my travels. Went to a few NHL games this year for example – all locations were Cisco. Went to a couple of ball games – all Cisco. Visited several customer sites late last year – Cisco at nine of them, and Juniper at one of them. Checked into various hotels and Aruba was being used. This is not saying that Ruckus isn’t possibly better or anything … and if we get time perhaps we will evaluate other options but like a lot of folks we have limited time to spend testing stuff. I know that we can drop Cisco into place and do everything we want it to do with minimal effort. Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf Of Daniel White Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:36 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI As Mike said… the IBM strategy. The old world thinking was no one ever got fired for buying IBM. No one ever gets fired for buying Cisco. Those certifications are similar to Apple almost giving away Mac’s to schools… you buy what you know. Ruckus and Ubiquiti are both much larger in units shipped than Cisco. I pay attention to every Wi-Fi access point I see… and while I don’t see much Xirrus (I do in convention centers… but outside of that I don’t think the business model fits well) I do see a lot of Ruckus and more and more Ubiquiti. Every tool has a purpose… not every manufacturer or product is the best fit for every situation (even though it may work). Daniel White (303) 746-3590 <tel:%28303%29%20746-3590> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34 AM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Very well said .. I like your summary …. The “champions” description I compare to what I see deployed. Anytime I’m at a sporting event, public place, office complex etc I’m always curious to see what’s deployed for equipment (if I can see it). While I’m sure Ruckus and Xirrus are good products for some folks, I have never seen their stuff deployed. This doesn’t mean it’s good or bad gear … or going back to the Ferrari analogy, just because you don’t see a lot of them on the road doesn’t mean they aren’t one of the best built vehicles out there. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:15 AM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI I think it would be more productive of a comparative conversation if one was to describe why (Technical feature wise) the Ruckus and Xirrus are "champions" of the Wifi Space. I shudder every time there is a comparison made between MFG. since all of them make high-end and low-end stuff as well..... The Strength of Ruckus WIFI solution is in the fact that their (most of them) Radio's do Beamforming very well, and when the Controller is used, the Controller will dynamically manage the Radios's Wifi settings and parameters. The Strength of Xirrus is, having recently looked at some XN8's, all I can say is WOW !, if you forget the price for a moment, if anyone had a Dream Radio Array features Wish List, guess what, they have all of those feature built in..... It is a piece of equipment with multiple radios (4,8,16) a combination of 2.4ghz and 5ghz radios which can be configured to pretty much any configuration, combination you like.... Does that mean that the above two is the only way to go ? No it is very much possible to configure Unifi's, with the right product selection, to accomplish similar results. And yes, if you are looking for a particular feature set, you have to pay attention to which units you are using, because all of the Unifi radios don't support all the features. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29663-5518> Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net> _____ From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net <mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:34:09 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI I had a car analogy lined up, but I saw too many holes in my own analogy. Ruckus and Xirrus are the champions of the WiFi space. They are the very best of the best. UniFi is good enough for most situations and is considerably less expensive. Cisco isn't winning any awards and is really only considered by people playing the IBM strategy. It's more expensive than the better options of UniFi and Xirrus. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com _____ From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:22:37 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Well you haven’t provided any good reasons …. I’ve never used Ruckus/Xirrus to be honest and we don’t have the luxury of “trial and error” with products we’ve never used – so the reasons would be to be quite compelling. Always open to ideas … Ben – you asked if we had contacted support… short answer is yes but I don’t have the details as it’s handled by another group…. Thanks, Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:13 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Then you want Ruckus\Xirrus, not Cisco. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> _____ From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:21:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite a When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, "Craig House" <cr...@totalhighspeed.net <mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net> > wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally. Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig _____ <http://www.avast.com/> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com <http://www.avast.com/>
