First of all... "just because a large provider is doing s" it does not make it 
correct or best practice. 
and don't assume that just because they are a 'large network' they are setup 
following best practices... 

Ideally, you want to keep your Area 0 manageable... it is a relative term... 
think of it this way if you have a POP or cluster which may have routing 
updates within them, but as far as the Core is concerned, all the routes can be 
summarized, it would be a good idea to setup them up on their own area... why 
cause a ripple in the whole pond, when there is change in one area which the 
rest of the network does not need to know about. 

Regards 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

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> From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 9:21:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Some OSPF Questions...

> Yeah, true enough … there was a very large cable provider in the USA that I 
> did
> consulting work for several years ago – they were running backbone area in 
> OSPF
> (single area 0) with over 650k routes! No, it was not ideal and convergence 
> was
> “challenging” to say the least. It wasn’t why I was working with them but
> really stood out …. I politely suggested they might want to look at dividing 
> up
> into regional areas or something along those lines either in OSPF or migrate 
> to
> ISIS (which was better potential solution for their specific MPLS requirements
> at that time).

> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson - MTIN
> Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 8:55 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Some OSPF Questions...

> Areas came to being when routers had 32 megs of ram small processors. It was
> mainly a mechanism to cut down on cpu/memory utilization. Areas have 
> advantages
> in certain designs, but not like they used to.

> Justin Wilson

> j...@mtin.net

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>> On Sep 8, 2015, at 8:11 PM, Paul Stewart < p...@paulstewart.org > wrote:

>> Yup … have seen some * really * large networks run everything in backbone 
>> area …

>> In previous job, we had 6000+ routes in backbone area with no noticeable 
>> issues.

>> Paul

>> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 3:28 PM
>> To: af < af@afmug.com >
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Some OSPF Questions...

>> I have everything in area 0 too, and we've get well over 100 routers running
>> OSPF and I really don't see any good reason to change it at this point.

>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 2:08 PM, George Skorup < geo...@cbcast.com > wrote:

>>> I run the backbone/area 0 only. But I have less than 15 routers speaking 
>>> OSPF.
>>> Convergence time is fine so I see no reason to go to multi-area any time 
>>> soon.

>>> On 9/8/2015 12:39 PM, Christopher Gray wrote:

>>>> Can an area have multiple ABR routers connecting to area 0 (Is there any 
>>>> way to
>>>> add redundancy to an area)?

>>>> How big is too big for an OSPF database (At what point should one really 
>>>> start
>>>> using areas)?

>>>> With Mikrotik hardware, if there is no current need for VPLS tunnels or 
>>>> MPLS-TE,
>>>> is there any benefit to running MPLS vs just OSPF? [I'm running it on some 
>>>> my
>>>> network, and I'm debating whether to take the time to implement it 
>>>> everywhere.]

>>>> Thanks - Chris

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