Yeah, the first wave was the people expecting Ubiquiti 3.65 GHz to work miracles through trees. All that did was create interference and force the WiMAX and LTE people to use the upper part of the band where the UBNT stuff was not approved to operate. At least AFAIK Redline never pitched its AN-80i, one of the first 3.65 GHz products, for NLOS applications, even though I believe it was based on a proprietary WiMAX implementation.
Somehow people just have it in their head that anything in that band is a NLOS product. I think it’s like seeing a red Ferrari screaming down the highway, and drawing the conclusion that all red vehicles are sports cars, so you buy a red F150 pickup. And then being disappointed at its speed and handling, while missing that it can carry cargo and haul a trailer. But it’s red! From: Patrick Leary Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 2:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450SM 3.65 connectorized antenna options It doesn’t mean “NLOS” inherently. It’s all about the gear that enables NLOS, as Sean just mentioned. Patrick Leary, Telrad 727-501-3735 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 1:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450SM 3.65 connectorized antenna options I still do not understand why 3.65 GHz = NLOS. We are using it very successfully for LOS. That does mean however that anyone who comes into this area expecting –110 noise floors will probably be disappointed. Things should be better however once 3550-3650 and PALs become available. Same as in any other band, trees close to the subscriber seem to be the worst. And here in the midwest, that’s where a lot of the trees are. Miles of cropland, and then 3 rows of trees next to the house. From: George Skorup Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 12:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450SM 3.65 connectorized antenna options I put my house on 3.6 450. SM+reflector 40' up my tower. One very large maple tree about 100 feet away directly in the path. The AP is almost exactly a mile away at 230 feet on a regular Cambium "90" degree sector. I have about -57dBm. I get about -65dBm when the tree is wet. I get 8X/8X in both cases. Uplink might drop to 6X sometimes. Bare SM only got about -72 and I said screw that. On 10/25/2015 10:50 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: We have telrad lte on a few towers, and we did a side by side comparison with telrad and canopy. Cambium 450 3.65ghz can go thru a tree or two at close range (less than 1 mile). But it only modulates at 1x mimo-a Telrad lte is able to blast thru a thicket of trees no problem. We've been decommissioning our 450 3.65ghz and replacing with telrad. 2cents -Sean On Sunday, October 25, 2015, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: Sean, You have the Compact wimax right? I'm curious how you'd rate that side by side with the PMP450 in 3.65. Cambium sales said the Compact would give you better NLOS, but where the 450 connected it would be faster. Would you say that was accurate? Thanks, Adam Nothing really. We tried a few and found either a bare SM or SM+dish was the best solution. Everything else was a PITA because the pig tails that come with the SM are too short, so you either need to do surgery and replace the cables or put the SM in an odd location/orientation to get it connected (if you can find one) 2cents -Sean On Sunday, October 25, 2015, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote: What has been found as a successful option for attaching to the connectorized 3.65 SMs? Paul, PDMNet ************************************************************************************ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. ************************************************************************************ ************************************************************************************ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. ************************************************************************************
