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Here is my "go to" camera setup.

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 12:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which camera to buy?

As much as I hate revive a dead and controversial thread but I have to ask; what cameras do you use around your house?

Chuck Hogg wrote:

> I regularly carry my KelTec P3AT, looks like a cell phone in my

> pocket.  It doesn't have a safety, but I don't carry it with a round

> chambered.  I'm in a pretty rural farming area, and there are a lot of

> migrant workers.  With that has brought more burglary type of crime.

> The standard to do is go knock on all the doors.  If nobody answers,

> they break in.  My office is in the front of my house, and I have had

> this encounter 4 times since living there about 9 years.  The last 2

> times I have walked out gun in hand.  It's interesting, they only turn

> around and don't even get out of the car.  I know what they are there

> for and so do they.  I also have cameras all over my property, so I

> know when people come and go.

>

> Regards,

> Chuck

>

> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Christopher Tyler

> <ch...@totalhighspeed.net <mailto:ch...@totalhighspeed.net <mailto:ch...@totalhighspeed.net%20%3cmailto:ch...@totalhighspeed.net>>> wrote:

>

>     It's not a US thing...

>

> http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html

>

>     --

>     Christopher Tyler

>     MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE

>     Total Highspeed Internet Services

>     417.851.1107 <tel:417.851.1107>

>

>     ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us <mailto:af...@zirkel.us <mailto:af...@zirkel.us%20%3cmailto:af...@zirkel.us>>>

>     To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> <mailto:af@afmug.com>

>     Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 8:42:11 AM

>     Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to

>     buy and why

>

>     Sometimes I just like stirring the pot ;)

>

>     I'm not saying one way is better or worse.  BUT our current system

>     obviously seems to be failing because we are the only 1st world

>     country

>     with a mass shooting problem of this magnitude.

>

>     -Sean

>

>     On Monday, December 7, 2015, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com

>     <mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

>

>     > So then you'll take your guns to the police or sheriff and tell

>     them you

>     > don't need them anymore?

>     >

>     > On 12/7/2015 9:43 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

>     >

>     > Australia had a gun problem...until it didn't anymore.

>     >

>     > Just sayin

>     >

>     > -Sean

>     >

>     >

>     > On Monday, December 7, 2015, Chuck McCown <

>     > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com

> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>');>ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>

> > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>');>> wrote:

>     >

>     >> On the assault rifle issue, are we just arguing about magazine

>     size?

>     >>

>     >> Or does it need a handle on top and a pistol grip?

>     >> How does a BAR differ from an AR?  Assuming they are the same

>     caliber.

>     >> BAR is OK because it only shoots deer, but the AR is for

>     shooting people?

>     >> Wood stock good, green metal and plastic bad?

>     >>

>     >> Semi automatic deer hunting rifles are OK, right?

>     >>

>     >> Is this a distinction without a difference?

>     >>

>     >> *From:* Sean Heskett

>     >> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 3:31 PM

>     >> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> <mailto:af@afmug.com>

>     >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which

>     to buy

>     >> and why

>     >>

>     >> i have a Glock23 .40cal works great but it's not quite a

>     "conceal carry"

>     >> size.  I have it (unloaded and trigger locked) in my survival

>     pack that

>     >> stays in my airplane incase of an emergency landing in the back

>     country ;-)

>     >>

>     >> i'm also a Progressive Libtard (registered independent) that

>     thinks we

>     >> should ban assault rifles and large magazines just as we have

>     banned hand

>     >> grenades, bombs, rocket launchers and other military

>     style/grade weapons.

>     >> I've had my Hunter's safety card since I was 12 and I also went

>     to high

>     >> school next to Columbine in CO.  My younger sister had friends

>     who died in

>     >> the attack.

>     >>

>     >> 2 cents.

>     >>

>     >> -Sean

>     >>

>     >>

>     >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:01 PM, James Howard

> <ja...@litewire.net <mailto:ja...@litewire.net <mailto:ja...@litewire.net%20%3cmailto:ja...@litewire.net>>

>     >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ja...@litewire.net

>     <mailto:ja...@litewire.net>');>> wrote:

>     >>

> >>> It wasn’t just the backstrap that bothered me. Mostly the diamond

>     >>> pattern just didn’t feel good in my hands.  I just did a bit

>     of looking now

>     >>> though and it looks like there are some options for fixing

>     that.  I might

>     >>> have to look into them again.  I really like the Sig P938 so

>     far though.

>     >>>

>     >>>

>     >>>

>     >>> I missed your comment about Glock fanboys. Shocking we haven’t

>     had any

>     >>> so far but the thread devolved into politics from a simple

>     question of what

>     >>> brand/model of pistol we like.  For the record, I’ve yet to

>     meet a Glock

>     >>> that I’d want to own.

>     >>>

>     >>>

>     >>>

>     >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com

>     <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds

>     >>> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 11:08 AM

>     >>> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> <mailto:af@afmug.com>

> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>');>

>     >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns -

>     which to buy

>     >>> and why

>     >>>

>     >>>

>     >>>

>     >>> XDS has replaceable grip backstraps.

>     >>>

>     >>>

>     >>>

>     >>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:04 AM, James Howard

> <ja...@litewire.net <mailto:ja...@litewire.net <mailto:ja...@litewire.net%20%3cmailto:ja...@litewire.net>>

>     >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ja...@litewire.net

>     <mailto:ja...@litewire.net>');>> wrote:

>     >>>

>     >>> Sig P938 is 9mm and almost exactly the same size as a P238.

>     I’ve got

>     >>> the SAS model (anti snag).  I’ve also got a S&W M&P Shield in

>     9mm and have

>     >>> looked at the Springfield XDS many times.  I just can’t get

>     over the fact

>     >>> that I don’t like the grips on the XDS. Prime reason to go

>     with the XDS is

>     >>> that you can get it in 45ACP.  There are a lot of cheaper

>     brands out there

>     >>> too.

>     >>>

>     >>>

>     >>>

> >>> If you have a place where you can do it, go and test fire all the

>     >>> different options.  My father-in-law bought a Glock 36 because

>     several

>     >>> people told him how great they were.  The problem is that it

>     doesn’t fit

>     >>> his hand well at all and the trigger digs into his finger so

>     he shoots

>     >>> terrible with it. His accuracy is greatly improved using my

>     M&P Shield.

>     >>>

>     >>>

>     >>>

>     >>> No matter what you get though.  A major key to carrying it

>     safely is

>     >>> practice and being comfortable with it.

>     >>>

>     >>>

>     >>>

>     >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com

>     <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>

>     >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com

>     <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>');>] *On Behalf Of *Simon

>     >>> Westlake

>     >>> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 10:09 AM

>     >>> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> <mailto:af@afmug.com>

> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>');>

>     >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns -

>     which to buy

>     >>> and why

>     >>>

>     >>>

>     >>>

>     >>> That was one thing I forgot to mention with the P238.. it has

>     a manual

>     >>> safety as well, if that's important to you. I personally don't

>     really care,

>     >>> but it's another good point.

>     >>>

>     >>> On 12/7/2015 10:07 AM, Jeremy wrote:

>     >>>

>     >>> A lot of people are carrying a gun that has no safety.  The

>     safety is

>     >>> released by squeezing the trigger, essentially.  I have kids,

>     and although

>     >>> I plan to keep my gun far away from them, I cannot on a clear

>     conscience

>     >>> carry a gun with no safety.  I have been considering a

>     revolver.  My bro

>     >>> has a CC and he recommends something smaller, so it doesn't

>     jab you in the

>     >>> side whenever you sit down.  I am still looking for the right

>     gun for a

>     >>> CC.  I've already had a gun pulled on my at a job.

>     >>>

>     >>>

>     >>>

>     >>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net

>     <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>

>     >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pa...@pdmnet.net

>     <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>');>> wrote:

>     >>>

>     >>> I am getting my CC permit (Florida) in a week or so.  I took an

>     >>> absolutely excellent class from the main trainer at the

>     Brevard county

>     >>> sheriff’s office.

>     >>>

>     >>>

>     >>>

>     >>> Now, I am looking for an excellent CC gun to use, as my long

>     barrel Colt

>     >>> 38 is not a good fit for that.

>     >>>

>     >>>

>     >>>

>     >>> I am certain that this group probably has a LOT of expertise

>     (and many

>     >>> opinions) on THE gun to use.

>     >>>

>     >>>

>     >>>

>     >>> J

>     >>>

>     >>>

>     >>>

>     >>> Paul McCall, Pres.

>     >>>

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